Alex frost Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 I am getting to be very annoyed/tired of this ongoing problem of off duty officer using the discord for Badlands to check the police channels and see who is on duty and how many are on duty,they do this to get advantage in game from either selling drugs,making drugs,or doing anything illegal! i know this is happening because of the simple fact that i have been in situations where i have had to down someone at the cocaine lab due to hostile activity,then i get shot down by their friend,as i am laying there bleeding out instead of the person who is left alive fleeing the area in fear of more police showing up they instead just hang in the area waiting,this leads to me knowing that they are using the discord police channels to know that i am the only officer on duty so there for they do not flee the area because they know that no other police will arrive. this is an on going problem and it needs to be stopped! some may see as power/metagaming. i have video evidence of this occurring but i will not post it in this topic for EVERYONE to see. Please feel free to give yer feed back on this!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 sounds like this should be an IA report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImVexal Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 +1 On this this. According to sources it isn't just police that is using this it maybe EMS also as our channels can be seen by both.  I honestly don't know how it can be worked around or how it would work in general as there were talks of hiding channels but if this maybe for off duty officers what's the point really.  All I can say as if you felt there was wrong doing and u feels that this is happening is record and report as usual.  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex frost Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 why would i make this an IA report? im not reporting a player,this is simple feed back and suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dK_ Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 To me it seems you are making assumptions, did they verbally say they knew you were the only cop on duty? Also, to add onto it when i'm alone on duty a very rarely make a move on the cocaine lab for this exact reason if you are by yourself 99% of the time you will be out numbered and its not worth putting your life in danger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex frost Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 i am NOT making assumptions i have physically heard with my own ears people talking about how many officers are on duty and if it is safe to go cook drugs. either way this was not made to start arguments,this is just simply my opinion,and i would like to see if others feel the same.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgs Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) From my understanding, the channel cant be solely hidden from everyone. It was hidden from EMS at one time but the complaint before the new revive change is they couldn't see if police were on to come help them clear a scene and even now that we don't see EMS alerts if the chan is hidden I don't believe they can enter the chan to have police come clear a scene. So right now I don't know of any solution to this but know there is some truth to what you are saying.  Edited September 16, 2018 by Thorgs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) maybe if somehow discord could check if you are on duty or not from the DB. so when you would go on duty, discord would give you a dispatch role (and grant you access to the dispatch channels) and when you would go off duty, you would lose the role on discord. not sure its possible though Edited September 16, 2018 by Anton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex frost Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Anton said: maybe if somehow discord could check if you are on duty or not from the DB. so when you would go on duty, discord would give you a dispatch role (and grant you access to the dispatch channels) and when you would go off duty, you would lose the role on discord. this is a good idea,but i do not think that can be done sadly  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPaAden Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 You can make it so only certain roles can see the channel or make a police only discord boom problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, PaPaAden said: You can make it so only certain roles can see the channel or make a police only discord boom problem solved LSPD discord is police only. but currently even if you are OFF DUTY, you still see it because of the discord role 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dK_ Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, PaPaAden said: You can make it so only certain roles can see the channel or make a police only discord boom problem solved Itâs already like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPaAden Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Richie said: Itâs already like that idfk then  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex frost Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, PaPaAden said: You can make it so only certain roles can see the channel or make a police only discord boom problem solved it currently is made so only police and ems can see these channels,and making a police only discord would solve nothing i fear,people would just use that discord to do the same thing that they are doing now,witch is check it to see who is on duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPaAden Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Alex frost said: it currently is made so only police and ems can see these channels,and making a police only discord would solve nothing i fear,people would just use that discord to do the same thing that they are doing now,witch is check it to see who is on duty. im not educated on the matter but if there was maybe a radio mod ingame the discord would be needed i do understand that its a lot of work but it does seem to me like this is a big problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flori Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 I see this happening all the time from whitelisted members, in game and often on streams. If what Anton suggested could be done, that would solve the problem, i have no idea how else to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 I GOT IT! Speed should make a "clock-in" page on the website. connect that to the bot. you clock in on the website, website sends command to bot, bot gives you role to access dispatch channels. This way the DB is safe, there will be logs on who clocked in-out and when. The only downside is that you couldn't see how many are on duty .. ah shit. this is not good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas GarcÃa Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 So the role should be something like 'onduty' and be assigned by the bot if @speed or @Serpico can make it work, by web page, by GTA connected to discord bot somehow or more simple. By discord bot itself. A channel where PD and EMS see and can do a command like !SignIn that way it will be logged, will be simpler than the other options to develop. So the role would grant persmisions to get in PD and EMS channels. So only those with the role will see them. And someone trying to check how many people have the role will only know the total of EMS+PD in both servers. Of course, anyone in duty could give out that info to others, but no system is perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tomas GarcÃa said: A channel where PD and EMS see and can do a command like !SignIn that way it will be logged, will be simpler than the other options to develop. This is a great idea. I'll see what needs to be done to make this happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3v0Lt55 Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 No doubt that there are white-listed members that look at on duty channels while off duty. To me the question is how do you deal with these people? Do you only deal with the people that have are using the outside information for crimes? When I'm the only cop on duty for 90 mins and then Serpico hops on to join me and within 60 secs 4 other officers clock on. Do we do something to these individuals aswell because its clear they are using this information. Do we deal with every person that whines in ooc as to why there are any ems in discord? This issue is a tough one to fix, but def needs to be looked into. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 still before you would sign in, you would have no idea how many are on duty already. maybe there are already at the limit that can be on duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storrent Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Anton said: still before you would sign in, you would have no idea how many are on duty already. maybe there are already at the limit that can be on duty !signin, see there's too many, !signout No doubt these will be logged, if abuse is seen, boot em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Storrent said: !signin, see there's too many, !signout No doubt these will be logged, if abuse is seen, boot em. !signin, see there's too many, !signout, tell all my friends, they abuse the info, no way to prove it, back at page 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas GarcÃa Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 @Anton I guess there are ways to work on that, but the thing is that if you sign on duty and server is full, no one will say you meta if you go !offDuty since that would make sense. If someone cheats in that situation then it would be way less times than before that. Since people would only cheat in those cases. Yet as I'm going to state there will be people that will cheat anyway as soon as they get the info, no matter the system. We can't put spyware into their PCs and phones, so as soon as they have the info they can share it if they are going to cheat. Two facts: Â - Some people have a way to cheat they will always cheat. Other people who usually don't cheat tend to do it unconsciously once they have the info. - Meta in itself, for odd that might sound to some, not always is bad. Meta can be used to balance a RP game. The bad meta is any that influences the outcome of the game towards a personal or friends gain. So what @Alex frost said is mainly true. And anything that can be done to hide the on duty people info will be good. But all has downsides, and let's also keep those in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storrent Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 I wonder if there'd be a way to check if there are too many people signed in and not assign the role. Something like !signin cop 1 or !signin ems 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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