More infraction tickets

[Denver]

Now before you jump the gun by saying "No, please not more reasons to be ticketed". I get it, tickets are annoying. But you know what's also annoying. Being a cop and not being able to detain/ticket/arrest someone for something that's clearly illegal.

A lot of the current ticket reasons are for vehicles, I'd like to see more infractions for pedestrians. (and some for motorcyclist)
Think about the following things:
- Crossing the street through a red light
- J-Walking
- Walking/Biking where this is prohibited (highways)
- Not wearing a helmet (bicyclists/motorcyclists)
Add more if you can think of some

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Now you may think "This does not anything to the server or RP"
This is not true, because there will be charges for pedestrians, there is more reason to have bicycle patrols as cops and even just foot patrols.
Right now these are pointless, especially because everyone always uses cars/bikes.

I personally feel there will be more pedestrians/bicyclists if the police can do something with this as well.

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Maybe add some more features/jobs that would require you to be on foot, but that's something for another suggestion.
 

[Samantha Hatfield]

+1

like how you presented this

[lords8n]

Making it hard for me to maintain my unblemished record!

+1

[Erwin]

+1

 

i love the way you presented this. Especially with the idea that this would be more of a reason for those who have bike certification to use it. As of now they are suppose to be leads when suspects go out on foot, but usually by that time theres no way the bicycles can be there in time.

[tRaShCaN05]

@Lion_Luke

Have your, or anyone else, brought this up to PD/BCSO senior staff?  For those of you that are officers, that would also be a great way to get the info out and discussed.

[Denver]

8 minutes ago, tRaShCaN05 said:

@Lion_Luke

Have your, or anyone else, brought this up to PD/BCSO senior staff?  For those of you that are officers, that would also be a great way to get the info out and discussed.

I have about 1 or 2 months ago, nothing ever happened with the information 

[tRaShCaN05]

5 minutes ago, Lion_Luke said:

I have about 1 or 2 months ago, nothing ever happened with the information 

Maybe drop this link into the chat channel on Discord and ask people to give feedback.  Increase the visibility of your ideas

[Lydia Jax]

+1 gives officers more stuff to do in their down time. 

[Roger Fetamine]

+1 but my hair is my helmet (Roger can only wear like 6 things and none of them are for safety) lmao

[Dorkyartist]

There is the issue of bikes being the only way for prisoners to get back to the main city when no taxis or any of their friends are available, and then you’d need to train officers on all new laws for pedestrians, and then you’d need to add more crosswalks for pedestrians, and not everyone has a helmet or hat that works with their hair, especially females. It might be a good idea, but ultimately might make citizens more resentful towards PD if they started to be even more strict with ticketing, and could lead to people getting upset with PD. Also, there’s also the issue of finding out if this charge could be abused, such as punishing players who might lag and see a red light as a green when crossing. It seems easy enough as presented, but it seems a bit more complicated to me. Maybe I just overthink everything (as I often do XD)

[Dorkyartist]

I like the idea, but also see some issues that might come from it, and it seems a bit of a nit-pick when it comes to legality

[Denver]

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

There is the issue of bikes being the only way for prisoners to get back to the main city when no taxis or any of their friends are available,

The highway isn't the only route they can take, but it sure is the most dangerous

 

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

and then you’d need to train officers on all new laws for pedestrians

All that requires is a quick announcement
 

 

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

and then you’d need to add more crosswalks for pedestrians

There's plenty of crosswalks, which you would know if you'd use them
 

 

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

and not everyone has a helmet or hat that works with their hair, especially females

Officers discretion still is a thing, if you explain to the officer that pulls you to the side, that you physically can't wear a helmet, I'm sure he won't give you a ticket for it.
 

 

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

It might be a good idea, but ultimately might make citizens more resentful towards PD if they started to be even more strict with ticketing, and could lead to people getting upset with PD. Also, there’s also the issue of finding out if this charge could be abused, such as punishing players who might lag and see a red light as a green when crossing.

These 2 reasons can be applied to all the laws in the city, if people got an issue with what an officer did, they can handle it through either an IA or in-character through the DOJ
-- Linking back to the fact that these new charges would bring more RP as well

 

 

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

and it seems a bit of a nit-pick when it comes to legality

Just because it's about pedestrians? Why should it be fine for pedestrians to run red lights or walk/bike in areas where this is illegal due to it being dangerous, and not for vehicles. Cause with that logic, let's just allow vehicles to drive on sidewalks and run red lights cause it's a nitpick.

(not attacking you, in case it sounds like that)  

[Denver]

18 hours ago, tRaShCaN05 said:

Maybe drop this link into the chat channel on Discord and ask people to give feedback.  Increase the visibility of your ideas

You mean chat channel for Law Enforcement? 

[Matttheman]

I will bring this up in the senior meeting tomorrow. @Lion_Luke I'll keep you updated.

[Denver]

1 hour ago, Matttheman said:

I will bring this up in the senior meeting tomorrow. @Lion_Luke I'll keep you updated.

Aight, thanks 

[lords8n]

Anything that involves leaving anything up to the officer's discretion is a big fat NO in my book.

Some of them have already proven to Phil multiple times that they have no discretion...or compassion...or character...or integrity.
Phil really respects and loves most PD. But those few ruin it for the rest.
 

[Denver]

1 hour ago, lords8n said:

Anything that involves leaving anything up to the officer's discretion is a big fat NO in my book.

Some of them have already proven to Phil multiple times that they have no discretion...or compassion...or character...or integrity.
Phil really respects and loves most PD. But those few ruin it for the rest.
 

Everything is officers discretion, file IA's or contact DOJ for those that are 'robo cops' 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Lion_Luke

[Dorkyartist]

On 11/4/2021 at 12:46 PM, lords8n said:

Anything that involves leaving anything up to the officer's discretion is a big fat NO in my book.

Some of them have already proven to Phil multiple times that they have no discretion...or compassion...or character...or integrity.
Phil really respects and loves most PD. But those few ruin it for the rest.
 

I agree to this a lot. You might be a good cop, and the majority of cops can be great cops, but there’s always gonna be a bad apple. Plus leaving it to desgretion can be a bit risky and cause arguements by leaving it open ended. Maybe enforce bike laws without enforcing helmets?

[Denver]

10 hours ago, Dorkyartist said:

Plus leaving it to desgretion can be a bit risky

Let me try to explain it one more time. No matter what laws we add, everything is at the officers discretion. When he pulls you over, any cop can do whatever they want. If they want to give you a warning, they can. If they decide to let you go due to scuff issues, they can. If they decide to give you a ticket because A: they're 'robocops'. B: they have all the reason to. Or C : because that's their RP. They can. 

 

Civilians and officers have access to the Internal Affairs, if you think an officer did something wrong, you can report them there, doesn't mean they'll get fired, but they'll get talked to. 

 

You also have access to the DOJ through your character, get in contact with a lawyer and sue the officer. 

 

Hope that cleared things up on officers discretion

[ZaxxYs]

On 11/4/2021 at 2:39 PM, Lion_Luke said:

Everything is officers discretion, file IA's or contact DOJ for those that are 'robo cops' 

-1  I will say this in a nicer way this time so I dont get talked to, IA's and DOJ or Lawsuit dont really do anything, the officer will do it again tomorrow. We already have enough robocops and cops that believe they are superman and they can do whatever they want, last thing we need is them giving tickets or restraining people because they crossed the street at the wrong time. HELL NO -100. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by ZaxxYs

[Erwin]

First off no one should restrained for jay walking… it wouldn’t even be PC for a search… it would legit just be a ticket.

[NewportReb]

-1

It's hard enough to get LEO's to find stolen cars, now they would have to deal with super low level crimes as well? They don't have the staffing to do it. Also from a DOJ point of view, I really don't want to field calls from clients asking about jaywalking when I already have enough on my plate.

[dK_]

They wouldn’t “have to” deal with low level crimes, they could choose to though. We arnt required to respond to or write tickets for anything, it’s all about what we want to and choose to. 

[MrBigRed]

5 hours ago, Richie Jax said:

They wouldn’t “have to” deal with low level crimes, they could choose to though. We arnt required to respond to or write tickets for anything, it’s all about what we want to and choose to. 

+1

[Kathryn Davies]

+1 to Jaywalking and not wearing a helmet. Walking on a red light would be difficult to enforce and I imagine a lot of toxicity coming from it from players. Walking/biking on highways could affect things like the prison bicycle and I think it could be enforced within reason, but I also think it could be taken advantage of to give people tickets who don't really deserve it.