Suggestions

[HungWalrus]

My suggestions/opinions on what could make BLRP more fun in terms of pd/crime balance:

 

- add actual costs for PD gear, items and cars. the PD gear and cars may as well be free as it stands now

- make PD items obtainable by civs... tasers, spikes, armor

- add PD dirt-bike or better off-road bike

 

- make big guns/rifles appear on your back or in a bag or limit PD firepower to one large firearm in pockets

- add heavy pistol for civilians and crims

- increase time and fines (more) I think it should be 90 min and $30k  

- increase difficulty of getting a gun license only after losing it. And make cost exponentially increase each time its lost

- make an in between on car seizures and impound lot. Maybe option of 2 wk seizure or a large fine could be a % of vehicle value

     Vehicle seizures seem pretty random and arbitrary at the moment. Would be nice to see a more consistent pattern with seizures 

- make rules on aircraft more lenient so that aircraft is used for crime on occasion. Would love to see it for heists/escapes but if not that, for things like drug trafficking and gun deals it could be cool

- PD air support should refrain from going to car jackings, drug dealers and store robberies and show up more to banks, jewelry etc.

- Need a more present DOJ that can give immediate feedback and judgement on issues and hold bench trials

 

[dK_]

Why would the PD stuff cost anything? how would it make sense to force police officers to buy the stuff they need to patrol?

Tasers and spikes are sketchy cause of how easily they can be abused, i have suggested in the past single use spike strips for civilians granted the weight and cost could be balanced.

Im all for a PD dirtbike, +10000 for that.

Large weapons appearing on your back is something in development but fivem being fivem there's issues. 

Increased fines and time is in the works, stay tuned.

 

 

[phvntom]

The Police Department already have SO many resources to catch criminals. Giving them ANOTHER tool will further decrease criminal activity. It will widen the balance gap further, especially since certain civilian off-road vehicles don't actually work that well off-road versus the GTF/SWAT Suburban and another one of those UC sedans. (There may be other PD vehicles I haven't had the pleasure of viewing doing remarkably powerful things.) 

There are large balancing gaps between LEOs and civilians, almost too many to mention. Adding certifications and SOP changes towards authorized weaponry and utilities is the small start to closing that gap. Along with increasing utility costs or shrinking the LEO pay scale. Most are against these ideas but it's the only start to creating a fun, engaging, and even playing field. 

PD Air support should also be called in during a lengthy chase not prior to the chase or at the start of a robbery. The ground covered in the air is much faster than driving. Calling in A.S. during a chase gives the criminals that slight chance that they will shake the pursuing cars before Air-One can also get sight on them. It's those subtle changes that creates the balance many are looking for. 

As for increased fines and time served. . .all around I believe it's more harm than good. With absolutely NO DoC online in the prison the last two weeks, jail is still "RP-Timeout" for anyone besides LEOs and EMTs. Making the loss of funds larger and the loss of time longer will only hurt the existing crime and criminal activities within the server. The risk will be even greater than the reward for said activities. Currently, the risk is greater than the reward in most avenues of illegal monetary gain.

 

[vDrop]

 

 

+1 - Agree with the following

for GEAR , ARMOR, WEAPONS, AMMO to cost.

• Combat Pistol keep Cheap
• Heavy Pistol Increase Price
• Armor 
• Ammo
• Class 3's + Shotgun Increase Price
• Add Durability to ALL PD Weapons

for PD Dirtbike ONLY for BCSO though. Give them something exclusive.
for Class 3 Weapons to be on Back, PD & Criminals 
for Time & Fines (30K? I'd rather see that go up to 6 Digits tbh, why limit it. Maybe it would force Court to be used more and also push for Prison Upgrades to reduce sentence.)
for Weapon License difficulty to regain
for Vehicle Seizures; I'd prefer them to be Seized on any Felony Charges, HOWEVER only for a time period. 7 - 14 Days.
for DOJ

-1 Disagree with the Following

for Vehicles

• Don't see why tbh. Vehicles don't seem to be the issue
• HOWEVER, maybe CVPI / Charger / TAHOE is what it is, and others are increased and kinda gives LEO's a goal to work towards money wise. 

or Obtainable Items from Police Officers

• This turns Police Departments into Loot Boxes. You honestly don't want that happening.

for Heavy Pistol for Criminals

• I'd honestly like to see ALL the weapons changed in the city. 
• Civilian "Combat Pistol" = PD "Glock"
• Civilian "Shotgun" = "PD Shotgun"
• Civilian "AK" = "PD Assault Rifle"
• Personally feel we don't need ALL these weapons. If additional weapons are there, then should be for cosmetic reasons only. 

for Aircrafts to be used for Crime

• But its not a hard no, just would need to be "strict" to the point where its not POWER GAMING. There's already a ton of cheese from both sides of the fence. Rather that get squashed first before advancing opportunities. 

 

 

For Air Support - I'm indifferent tbh. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Good suggestions though. 

 

 

 

[Mefcy]

-1

* PD items should remain cheap. 

* Police equipment would be abused by civs and crims. Imagine every crim just going after cops or shooting down cops even more just to take their high tier weapons and tazers off them. it would be a shit show and not enjoyable for anyone except crims. (-1000)

* air support is only around for serious crimes. rarely ever have i seen it used for what you listed if ever at all.

* vehicle seizures are not random, LSPD and BCSO has to follow strict procedures and guidelines to seize a vehicle.

 

+1 to increasing time and fines limits especially to crims with repeating offenses and more serious crimes like attempted murders.

 

[Randy Jones]

On 8/21/2021 at 8:03 PM, phvntom said:

The Police Department already have SO many resources to catch criminals. Giving them ANOTHER tool will further decrease criminal activity. It will widen the balance gap further, especially since certain civilian off-road vehicles don't actually work that well off-road versus the GTF/SWAT Suburban and another one of those UC sedans. (There may be other PD vehicles I haven't had the pleasure of viewing doing remarkably powerful things.) 

There are large balancing gaps between LEOs and civilians, almost too many to mention. Adding certifications and SOP changes towards authorized weaponry and utilities is the small start to closing that gap. Along with increasing utility costs or shrinking the LEO pay scale. Most are against these ideas but it's the only start to creating a fun, engaging, and even playing field. 

PD Air support should also be called in during a lengthy chase not prior to the chase or at the start of a robbery. The ground covered in the air is much faster than driving. Calling in A.S. during a chase gives the criminals that slight chance that they will shake the pursuing cars before Air-One can also get sight on them. It's those subtle changes that creates the balance many are looking for. 

As for increased fines and time served. . .all around I believe it's more harm than good. With absolutely NO DoC online in the prison the last two weeks, jail is still "RP-Timeout" for anyone besides LEOs and EMTs. Making the loss of funds larger and the loss of time longer will only hurt the existing crime and criminal activities within the server. The risk will be even greater than the reward for said activities. Currently, the risk is greater than the reward in most avenues of illegal monetary gain.

 

Imo PD will always have the upper hand. To me that's what makes robberies so rewarding. I disagree with Air one being called in after a pursuit has started from lets say a bank robbery. 

 

On 8/21/2021 at 2:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

My suggestions/opinions on what could make BLRP more fun in terms of pd/crime balance:

 

- add actual costs for PD gear, items and cars. the PD gear and cars may as well be free as it stands now

- make PD items obtainable by civs... tasers, spikes, armor

- add PD dirt-bike or better off-road bike

 

- make big guns/rifles appear on your back or in a bag or limit PD firepower to one large firearm in pockets

- add heavy pistol for civilians and crims

- increase time and fines (more) I think it should be 90 min and $30k  

- increase difficulty of getting a gun license only after losing it. And make cost exponentially increase each time its lost

- make an in between on car seizures and impound lot. Maybe option of 2 wk seizure or a large fine could be a % of vehicle value

     Vehicle seizures seem pretty random and arbitrary at the moment. Would be nice to see a more consistent pattern with seizures 

- make rules on aircraft more lenient so that aircraft is used for crime on occasion. Would love to see it for heists/escapes but if not that, for things like drug trafficking and gun deals it could be cool

- PD air support should refrain from going to car jackings, drug dealers and store robberies and show up more to banks, jewelry etc.

- Need a more present DOJ that can give immediate feedback and judgement on issues and hold bench trials

 

- make big guns/rifles appear on your back or in a bag or limit PD firepower to one large firearm in pockets. That's already a thing with only having one long gun on you as PD.

[UnknownRNGS]

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

add actual costs for PD gear, items and cars. the PD gear and cars may as well be free as it stands now

This one doesn't make sense to me. PD stuff should be obtainable for the ranks that are allowed it. I dont seem a benefit to either PD/Crim from adding prices.

 

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

make PD items obtainable by civs... tasers, spikes, armor

+1/-1 depending on how you obtain it. If you can obtain it from looting cops, then no. PD will be constantly targeted for their gear which will effectively turn them into loot boxes. It really isn't hard to wipe PD and yoink all their stuff. 
If PD gear could be obtained during raid events/warrant executions i would support it. Possibly making the items available to be snatched from the vehicles used during the raids. Adds extra incentive/reward to the winning side of the confrontation. Making these items exclusive through that means would also add RP for people trying to resell them and such.
 

 

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

add PD dirt-bike or better off-road bike

+1 if crims also get to use their offroad bikes offroad. From my experience on crim any "dirt"bike is trash on any sort of dirt/sand. 
 

 

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

- make big guns/rifles appear on your back or in a bag or limit PD firepower to one large firearm in pockets

I like this but general fiveM fuckery fucked it up back in the day when it was a thing. IF its possible, +100. Additionally, PD should only be having one long-arm on them at any time.
 

 

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

add heavy pistol for civilians and crims

If its obtainable through the means i listed above, sure +1. Or if to obtain it legally it has to go through a certain legal process. 
 

 

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

increase time and fines (more) I think it should be 90 min and $30k  

No thank you. Maybe if DOC gets more active throughout the day at ALL times. Prison is literally RP timeout which you get for doing RP. Same thing with fines, as it stands you can lose A LOT of money when arrested if your processing officer feels like it. I think the penalties for crimes are good enough as they are from both a PD and crim perspective.
 

 

On 8/21/2021 at 3:06 PM, HungWalrus said:

increase difficulty of getting a gun license only after losing it. And make cost exponentially increase each time its lost

I like the first part of this. Would add incentive for people to illegally sell legal weapons. Different RP avenues from that. As for the second part, thats already a thing

Not letting me quote anything else. As for the car seizure stuff, +10000. Please give me the option to impound a car for a certain amount of time. Would be fantastic. 

As for your issues with Air 1. Im on duty a lot and have never seen it used during petty calls like that on both crim and PD. You also need to remember that air 1 does NOT have a lot of fuel. If PD has the chopper on you from the start of your robbery, chances are it isnt gonna stay in the sky for long before it needs to break off for a fuel break. Then theres your chance to lose it. Additionally, there is tons of way to effectively lose air one but ill let you figure those out IC. 
On my crim i dont think we've ever had an issue with the presence of air one, just another challenge to deal with. 

As for the leniency on aircraft, yes please, though make the penalties STRICT for getting caught. Lets be honest, a helicopter pickup would effectively end any scenario with PD as soon as you get through the door as Air 1 really isnt around that much. If you get caught using your helicopter/plane, that should be an automatic indefinite seizure.