Nerf heavy pistol pretty please??

[ZaxxYs]

I know I know multiple people have said this already but I couldn't find any of their post and decided to make a new one to hear some new arguments now that we ALL have crosshairs. I decided to make this post and open another conversation about it because I just saw a 2v2, 2 Class 3's automatics vs 2 Heavy pistols, and the heavy pistols won, so give me your ideas, to me its pretty simple, either buff class 3s or nerf heavy pistols. What u think?

[dK_]

It's more about shooting then the gun, ive lost fights against mk2's with my heavy pistol.

[ZaxxYs]

49 minutes ago, Richie Jax said:

It's more about shooting then the gun, ive lost fights against mk2's with my heavy pistol.

I used to agree with this argument but not anymore, we now have crosshairs so its an even fight and I have seen the fights and I dont see a super aim that you would think well that is the reason why he won, plus this is GTA its not a game that is heavy on aiming like CSGO or Valorant and many others, as far as I know there is no extra damage for hitting headshots so it just comes down to the gun, a pistol shouldn't out damage a class 3 full auto imo. 

Edited September 19, 2021 by ZaxxYs

[UnofficialA]

Class 3 needs to be buffed in a way that they make sense depending on the weapon type and how much it costs(avg price from time to time), and the heavy pistols should be an equivalent to a deagle. I rest my case.

[MJ.]

I don't believe it needs to be nerfed. I have said it before and I will say it again..... learn to shoot. There will never be an even balance between guns. It's probably as close as it's going to get tbh. The Mk2 is an EASY competitor with the heavy pistol. Class 3's on both PD and Civ have such a big spread that, yeah, a heavy pistol or a Mk2 can cause a lot of damage. I have been shot down more times with a class 3 while I'm using a heavy pistol, it's unreal. You can shoot down anyone with ANY gun, going against any gun, IF you know how to shoot. I don't think criminals understand how good they have it with their weapons. 

[dK_]

Also keep in mind how familiar most members of Pd are with how their guns handle, for every one shootout you get into with police, police have had 3-5x more shootouts with criminals. 

[vDrop]

10 hours ago, ZaxxYs said:

I used to agree with this argument but not anymore, we now have crosshairs so its an even fight and I have seen the fights and I dont see a super aim that you would think well that is the reason why he won, plus this is GTA its not a game that is heavy on aiming like CSGO or Valorant and many others, as far as I know there is no extra damage for hitting headshots so it just comes down to the gun, a pistol shouldn't out damage a class 3 full auto imo. 

Umm even with Crosshairs...some people are simply potatoes and still miss. You've played First Person Shooters , some people are just better when it comes to shooting. Not everything has to do with the balance of weapons. 

[vDrop]

9 hours ago, UnofficialA said:

Class 3 needs to be buffed in a way that they make sense depending on the weapon type and how much it costs(avg price from time to time), and the heavy pistols should be an equivalent to a deagle. I rest my case.

Deagle if shots hit, is better than the Heavy Pistol. 
Class 3's...when shot properly, reck PD. There's groups that are kicking PD's ass on a daily. 

I honestly can't apologize that some groups are better than other groups when it comes to shooting properly, positioning. communicating, etc. 

Lastly, OneSync as a whole is going to make you THINK you are hitting targets when your missing. Just like when you are driving. You didn't hit the pole, but the pole is yeeting anyways. Or you didn't hit the other car, but the car yanks forward anyways. Same with shooting, shocker.

The balance of the weapons is getting old and its honestly inaccurate. I find it comical almost because its the same people asking for the balance, but the ones that are kicking PD's ass, aren't here asking for the balance. 

[ZaxxYs]

9 hours ago, vDrop said:

Umm even with Crosshairs...some people are simply potatoes and still miss. You've played First Person Shooters , some people are just better when it comes to shooting. Not everything has to do with the balance of weapons. 

I understand I just dont see GTA being a game that relies heavily on aim but I can see your point. 

[ZaxxYs]

9 hours ago, vDrop said:

Deagle if shots hit, is better than the Heavy Pistol. 
Class 3's...when shot properly, reck PD. There's groups that are kicking PD's ass on a daily. 

I honestly can't apologize that some groups are better than other groups when it comes to shooting properly, positioning. communicating, etc. 

Lastly, OneSync as a whole is going to make you THINK you are hitting targets when your missing. Just like when you are driving. You didn't hit the pole, but the pole is yeeting anyways. Or you didn't hit the other car, but the car yanks forward anyways. Same with shooting, shocker.

The balance of the weapons is getting old and its honestly inaccurate. I find it comical almost because its the same people asking for the balance, but the ones that are kicking PD's ass, aren't here asking for the balance. 

No.... Heavy Pistol has the same damage as a Deagle with the fire rate and the accuracy of a MK2 there is no way the Deagle is better. 

I made this forum because of a clip I saw that looked ridiculous to me how class 3s lost to Heavy pistols in an even 2v2, sorry if I have asked for balancing of guns some other times, I have won most of my fights im not making this forum because of me or my group, I look around and I care about the rest of the population its not all about me. 

The ones "kicking PD's ass" are also the ones that do the cheeky strats and ambushes and then you hear you guys complaining about it, so I dont know what to say.

All im saying is that I was very surprised when I saw that clip, I didnt see the guy do any amazing display of aim that would make me think "DAAAAMNNN this guy is a beast" just a regular player with an average aim at best and still managed to drop 2 guys with class 3s if you are telling me that there isnt a gun difference there then I will forget about it and never again comment on a post regarding guns XD.    

[ZaxxYs]

10 hours ago, MJ High said:

I don't believe it needs to be nerfed. I have said it before and I will say it again..... learn to shoot. There will never be an even balance between guns. It's probably as close as it's going to get tbh. The Mk2 is an EASY competitor with the heavy pistol. Class 3's on both PD and Civ have such a big spread that, yeah, a heavy pistol or a Mk2 can cause a lot of damage. I have been shot down more times with a class 3 while I'm using a heavy pistol, it's unreal. You can shoot down anyone with ANY gun, going against any gun, IF you know how to shoot. I don't think criminals understand how good they have it with their weapons. 

I mean, you are supposed to go down against Class 3s if you have a pistol that is why you guys also have automatic rifles no? Maybe? 

There is never going to be an even balance but it could get looked at and do some tests and what not, if after that the devs and admins still believe that a change is not needed then that is a different story. 

The MK2 is nowhere near a Heavy Pistol ffs, like please open you eyes and don't blindfold yourself , how could an MK2 be an EASY competitor  when the Heavy has the same accuracy, same fire rate, and more damage???????

Maybe you can, but I can PROMISE you right now that people like Blake, Sully, CT, Levi, Knox, etc etc etc are not gonna lose a 1v1 MK2 or Deag vs a Heavy, so no you can not shoot down anyone with any gun.

To talk more to you about your forever point of "its all about how you shoot" don't you always say that you are a shit shot? and that you cant really hit anything, I have heard you say this MULTIPLE times yet I see you winning gun fights, I have MULTIPLE times seen you win 1v1s with your heavy pistol vs MK2s or Deagles against people that are known to be good shooters. How do you explain that? Luck? Lack of armor? Lag? I mean what else we wanna throw in there? Desync? Packet Loss? Cover? Bugs? Anything but the gun difference I take it. 

Edited September 19, 2021 by ZaxxYs

[phvntom]

Biggest issue is still that the Heavy (stat wise) outclasses every pistol available. Yes even the Desert Eagle. Heavy has quick fire rate, better damage, and longer range. The MK2 right now is the best equivalent to combat it and why is that? Because the class threes we are given are basically for show. All of the low caliber autos are borderline trash. (I personally enjoy my heater and don't see a huge problem with it) The rifles are...very lackluster in the damage department.

I have commented on the Heavy vs MK2 argument in that other 'Heavy Pistol' thread which states its base GTAO properties. (BLRP probably has a different damage scale/tweaked mechanics so we can't go one to one with GTAO data and BLRP) The Mk2 is a decent equivalent but it's short comings are the base damage and the low range compared to the Heavy. I'm not 100% certain that there is damage drop off at range, but following the stats, why have a "range" stat if there wasn't? To say that there is, paints a clear picture. Heavy has more damage at it's normal engagement range. (Normal talking distance.) Due to the increased effective range, lets say two sedan lengths it will STILL out damage the Mk2. Three car lengths and more...who knows how much more damage the Heavy spits out over the Mk2. 

I believe the biggest complaint that many aren't acknowledging is that almost every player runs around with the base pistol or the mk2. Because it's the only reliable weapon to protect yourself with. Class three rifles are inaccurate airsoft guns. Most of the automatic pistols and SMGs are essentially the same, just weaker at range. They cost WAY TOO MUCH to not be effective. (Trying not to meta, it's honestly ridiculous) The MK2 is the forced equivalent to the PD Heavy Pistol. If civilians had the option to use something else worth it's weight, they would have to think about the pros and cons of each weapon. Let's not forget, most of PD uses the Heavy. It's not a mystery why that is. 

I do agree that to exclaim "NERF" is the knee-jerk reaction to getting shot down multiple times. There is a way to explore, test, and/or fix the issue. One update cycle, make the Heavy Pistol usable by all for...two or three days?! And then just straight yank it away once those days are up. If PD start to lose gun fights exponentially in those two or three days when people are using the Heavy that proves a few things. (Obviously you could control the environment in the developer shard of the server with a set '5v5' with cops versus a criminal group, but I think that'll prove little)

1. It's a powerhouse. It IS better than everything available and something needs to be tweaked/add an illegal equivalent. 
2. It isn't just about desync, positioning, and other variables that shape a gunfight. 

That is the only concrete way to get the data/experience to test it's power and usage. 

TL;DR: Some level of balancing is needed to even out gunfights. Class threes are very ineffective compared to standard options. The PD-Only 'Heavy Pistol' is, in-fact, one of the better weapons in the game. If possible, a tweak to it's properties is needed, or the implementation of a Civilian/Criminal equivalent should be put into place.  

[vDrop]

3 hours ago, ZaxxYs said:

All im saying is that I was very surprised when I saw that clip, I didnt see the guy do any amazing display of aim that would make me think "DAAAAMNNN this guy is a beast" just a regular player with an average aim at best and still managed to drop 2 guys with class 3s if you are telling me that there isnt a gun difference there then I will forget about it and never again comment on a post regarding guns XD.    

More than welcome to share the clip too. Might be helpful to prove your point..

[MJ.]

2 hours ago, ZaxxYs said:

I mean, you are supposed to go down against Class 3s if you have a pistol that is why you guys also have automatic rifles no? Maybe? 

There is never going to be an even balance but it could get looked at and do some tests and what not, if after that the devs and admins still believe that a change is not needed then that is a different story. 

The MK2 is nowhere near a Heavy Pistol ffs, like please open you eyes and don't blindfold yourself , how could an MK2 be an EASY competitor  when the Heavy has the same accuracy, same fire rate, and more damage???????

Maybe you can, but I can PROMISE you right now that people like Blake, Sully, CT, Levi, Knox, etc etc etc are not gonna lose a 1v1 MK2 or Deag vs a Heavy, so no you can not shoot down anyone with any gun.

To talk more to you about your forever point of "its all about how you shoot" don't you always say that you are a shit shot? and that you cant really hit anything, I have heard you say this MULTIPLE times yet I see you winning gun fights, I have MULTIPLE times seen you win 1v1s with your heavy pistol vs MK2s or Deagles against people that are known to be good shooters. How do you explain that? Luck? Lack of armor? Lag? I mean what else we wanna throw in there? Desync? Packet Loss? Cover? Bugs? Anything but the gun difference I take it. 

1. Deagle isn't in this conversation. It's trash long range so shouldn't even be compared to any weapon. 

2. Just because you have an automatic, doesn't mean you full auto on people... People MAG DUMP with Class 3's and don't realize that you actually have to burst shot them. You can fuck people up if you KNOW HOW TO SHOOT. There is so much more into shooting than just AIM. So yeah, those cops you mentioned, KNOW HOW TO SHOOT. 

3. I personally don't use CL3's often because I don't like recoil. It's harder to control. Not for me. 

4. Let me point out, that probably every time you have seen me "win" a gunfight is if I show up late to the scene. Almost EVERY officer can tell you that I go down with almost every gun fight. Like I said, it's not just about aim for you to KNOW how to shoot. My ass likes to stay focused on one single person and don't take cover for another person to shoot me down. 

5. The MK2 is an easy competitor... I'm not even going to get into it. Lol

[Mefcy]

-1

[ZaxxYs]

Well, this post is just getting the same amount of disagreement as all of the other ones I have seen, PD saying the Heavy is trash and Crims saying its OP, I guess that since we dont really know the numbers like admins do we wont be able to take a look at it. Thank all for commenting and letting us know what you think. In conclusion the MK2 is as good as the heavy and we all just suck at the game. GG. XDD.  

[Skillzonwheels]

Just use a Musket 

[dK_]

You have statistics that show that the heavy pistol is as good as a deagle? Not talking about GTAO or the base game cause that doesn’t apply here as all that is customized for the server. But you have actually data from bl itself that verifies this claim? 

[vDrop]

13 hours ago, ZaxxYs said:

Well, this post is just getting the same amount of disagreement as all of the other ones I have seen, PD saying the Heavy is trash and Crims saying its OP, I guess that since we dont really know the numbers like admins do we wont be able to take a look at it. Thank all for commenting and letting us know what you think. In conclusion the MK2 is as good as the heavy and we all just suck at the game. GG. XDD.  

Damn right you suck! Jk

Nah, first of all, the Heavy Pistol is NOT trash. Any PD that claims it is, would be for sure lying. My only defense is the argument that it does more damage than the deagle. Heavy Pistol shoots faster. And for the record, no the MK2 is not equal to the heavy. But the other argument, and where the base of this conversation started. Class 3's. Class 3's, are superior to the heavy pistol, NOT by a lot, but it is. Since there are a lot of class 3's. I'm going to only claim the AK is. I've never personally used ANY of the other class 3's available. I will say that the AK right now is better classed against the Heavy Pistol and the MK2 Carbine. And I know no body likes it, but yes it depends 100% on how you shoot it. But lets be honest, this entire conversation is legit meta, lol. 

[ZaxxYs]

4 hours ago, Richie Jax said:

You have statistics that show that the heavy pistol is as good as a deagle? Not talking about GTAO or the base game cause that doesn’t apply here as all that is customized for the server. But you have actually data from bl itself that verifies this claim? 

No no bro, I said that we DO NOT really know the numbers only admins do. But if you take your time to shoot both guns and see the damage that it deals then you can go ahead and support the statement that the Heavy does around the same dmg as the deagle. I wish there was a way to actually see the numbers, or for an admin to just jump in here and say something like "The Heavy does way less damage than the deagle, a balance is not needed" Then I could sleep at night lmfao

Edited September 20, 2021 by ZaxxYs

[ZaxxYs]

1 hour ago, vDrop said:

Damn right you suck! Jk

Nah, first of all, the Heavy Pistol is NOT trash. Any PD that claims it is, would be for sure lying. My only defense is the argument that it does more damage than the deagle. Heavy Pistol shoots faster. And for the record, no the MK2 is not equal to the heavy. But the other argument, and where the base of this conversation started. Class 3's. Class 3's, are superior to the heavy pistol, NOT by a lot, but it is. Since there are a lot of class 3's. I'm going to only claim the AK is. I've never personally used ANY of the other class 3's available. I will say that the AK right now is better classed against the Heavy Pistol and the MK2 Carbine. And I know no body likes it, but yes it depends 100% on how you shoot it. But lets be honest, this entire conversation is legit meta, lol. 

I love you too man!!  

I mean its only meta if you use it as meta hahaha, Im sure you wont meta nothing said here XD, or will you?? JK JK  

For what I have seen it does the same damage as the deagle, the difference is that it shoots way faster and has better acurracy, so its basically an MK2 and a deagle put together, and the fact that like you said the class 3s are superior and NOT by a lot is the problem, and the reason I made this post, I can even say that the Heavy is better than a couple of class 3s I dont wanna mention for meta purposes but DM about it.  

 

[Kathryn Davies]

-1 but if there's really an issue maybe mag sizes could be adjusted to give people a fairer chance. I'll say my combat pistol is solid and I win a LOT of gun fights where I don't think I would've before, but then I also think the crosshair dot has extremely increased my gun skills so I can't really tell if it's the gun or the crosshair.

[UnofficialA]

19 minutes ago, Kathryn Davies said:

-1 but if there's really an issue maybe mag sizes could be adjusted to give people a fairer chance. I'll say my combat pistol is solid and I win a LOT of gun fights where I don't think I would've before, but then I also think the crosshair dot has extremely increased my gun skills so I can't really tell if it's the gun or the crosshair.

Its the heavy pistol that is under question here, not the combat pistol.

[Kathryn Davies]

6 minutes ago, UnofficialA said:

Its the heavy pistol that is under question here, not the combat pistol.

just talking from experience with pistols in general. but i have used the heavy pistol and again, maybe a change in mag size could benefit the gun.