Stop the cops from power gaming.

[Skolly717]

I feel like the police force criminals that are trying to be creative into submission by giving us no other option but to fight. An example would be when a certain crew put hours into creating documents and false ID's and creating a story to attempt to rob a bank. The robbery wasn't even successful, and the police detained us for upwards of 20 minutes, and only wanted to argue. Then stated they would charge us for Robbery when the bank was not robbed, they also refused to check the integrity of the vault, and then stated we were trespassing on government property. Things like these happen, and it only makes people whom attempt to put effort into their RP want to quit. For a community that wants roleplay over gunfights, the police have a funny way of showing it. This isn't my first time experiencing this, but this time it was next level. 

[Razec]

Into everything there`s a process. Whilst I understand your frustration, there are certain things that need to be taken under consideration. For one, the number of flaws within a plan need to be in clear view. Police will always ask questions in order to break a story. There`s a lot of scrutiny that goes into surveillance and security for a National Bank such as the Pacific Standard. Sometimes we open opportunities, outside our own immersion, in favor of your success. If you feel like you were wronged and police did not operate according to the law, in breach of civilian rights, feel free to submit a IA.

Edited December 24, 2021 by Razec

[vDrop]

10 hours ago, Skolly717 said:

 An example would be when a certain crew put hours into creating documents and false ID's and creating a story to attempt to rob a bank. 

In the interest of roleplay, I'm not entirely 100% with the scene and not sure what the specifics were that were involved. The title of the thread is in regards to Police being power gaming over roleplay, that statement I can understand in specific scenes and many others I can easily lose the argument for. But Power Gaming can be completed in both ways, NOT saying the attempt of the robbery was intended to be power gaming, but if these fake documents that were created were used, it would come off Power Gaming from Criminal to Police by forcing the police hand into a free pass. Don't get me wrong, I've seen the creation of documents over time and time again. Its nothing new that officers have dealt with. The issue I see is what I already stated, the documentation alone, sure it was created for the Roleplay, but again it comes off, well I have this document, so I'm not doing anything illegal. 

Now lets take into consideration, it was a bank. If this was a store, absolutely. PD is most likely to play along, but I guess what I should be asking what was the intent. 

A. Are the characters known criminals, or are they all new characters with no records.
B. Were the documents legit. Some officers are experienced in fake documents. Any flaw could red flag the entire situation.
C. Did someone mess up verbally talking to the cops.
D. Was anyone identified, if so did A apply. 

I mean I could go through the entire alphabet with options and did this happen, or did that happen. Unfortunately, not knowing the scene doesn't provide the full picture of what went down. Unfortunately, Razec is right. If you feel the PD 100% without a doubt power gamed, then I'd provide the video footage in a IA or even a player report as Power Gaming is against the rules of the community. 

My final conclusion is that unfortunately without the full story. I can't agree or disagree with you, I can only provide blind input. 

Edited December 24, 2021 by vDrop

[McPikey - Fast J]

I've dealt with these types of robberies a lot, I enjoy people who are willing to put that kind of effort into these "sneaky" robberies with documentation and trying to legitimize their presence. However, documents and fake ID's are not a free pass to rob the vault, you don't get the benefit of the doubt by default, you earn it with your roleplay. If the cops play 20 questions with you about your legitimacy its on the criminals to have a proper story and to be honest THAT is your challenge as opposed to a chase and/or shootout. It's a risk YOU take, some cops will play dumber than others. The biggest issue is that you state "powergaming" with no reasonable explanation of what was powergamed. If they don't believe you, you likely didn't give them a story that matches up to the evidence before them. If you are being wrongfully charged because they had no proof you were robbing something, take it up with a lawyer, take it to court and/or IA reports.

People do get away with these types of robberies, and having been on the police side of a lot of them, its very 50/50 if it works and most of that is determined by the quality of the criminals RP to convince the police there presence is legitimate. 

[TacoBlowfish]

Comin from a crim who has done robberies with documents MANY times, you need to have EVERY THING on that document if you want this to work, as well as have a REHERSED story. Do not ad lib a job like this. You need everything down to adress, job number, ect. Trust me, if you do the extra effort into getting it done. It works. but thats it. You cant just say "I made a document with x, y, and z on it" and expect it to pass. especially if you are robbing a bank. The cops have to treat it as a robbery until proven otherwise if that vault alarm goes off. You have to give them enough reasonable doubt, to believe that the bank is not being robbed, I have done this successfully MULTIPLE times, but I will not disclose how much information that I put into these, as I work very hard with photoshop and inDesign to make sure these look legit. A single document can take me upwards of an hour to make. The cops probably were not power gaming, but you didnt cover your ass enough to be rediculed with questions. Take it as a learning experience. You gotta fail, to learn how to improve.

[Dorkyartist]

So, on one of my characters, she and a group of friends dressed up like Pokémon fans and pretended to be playing Pokémon go and doing a raid inside of the store they were robbing, and the police played along with it too, leading to a good time. Both sides had fun, which I think is the most important part, and overall, it provided good roleplay. Some cops are willing to go along with clever plans, and that’s great! However, it is also a cops choice if they want to play along or stay to a more strict attitude towards their behavior towards the situation. I would like to see some more cooperation for fun and creative scenes, but understand that it is not a requirement for them to go along with your plan. It is up to the officers on how they want to react to the circumstances they are given.

[Mefcy]

It is all situational. And mostly up to officers discretion. If you have EVERYTHING you need planned out legit quality paper work, story even a supervisor we might call and you are not robbing the place 2 times a day everyday you should be good. There is often times we know what is going on but we will go along with it. If it is fishy and you are not prepared 100% it can get shutdown.  Like others said treat it as a learning experience.