Bring back restrictions on interceptors

[Beans]

Being someone with experience on both crim and cop I would like to give my feedback regarding the amount of interceptors in city currently...

In my opinion the interceptor is better than every crim vehicle except bikes, Itali GTO, Jester Classic and Flash GT (sports cars).

I consider myself an experienced driver. Yet struggle to lose most interceptors on crim without hitting multiple alleyways and/or roads with an abundance of bumps. On top of this, when I drive the interceptor on my cop character, I rarely ever lose sight of a crim I'm chasing unless they use some cheese.

I have no issue with the power of an interceptor as I believe that is their intended use. However I think the sheer abundance of cops using them because they have the ability to do so is one of the multiple reasons for the reduction in crime recently. 

I believe some kind of rank and/or certification should be in place to cause a restriction in the number of interceptors being used because there is currently no reason as a cop to choose another vehicle when you have the ability to use an interceptor.

I will personally not be using an interceptor on my cop character until further notice as I feel like I'm power gaming at this point by using it.

[Samantha Hatfield]

It honestly felt so good a few months back, from both sides for a chase to occur. Criminals would allow Cops little nibbles and jokes to make it fun, but with the use of the interceptor which used to be a FTS+ Vehicle (SGT), it has become a go to for officers. Mainly for the fact that it looks nicer, as-well-as beats the competition.

The prior rank restrictions set for vehicles, kept the balance for criminals to get away and at-least get the reward that they lost from prior interactions. The thing I see with interceptors is driver-wise. People think more speed, and better car means they are going to get to the action better and be able to catch the crime occurring. It's not the car, it's about what you do with the car that matters.

I am all for it having a restriction, as I know how good it is. Everything about it is unmatched in my opinion to a criminal vehicle. Restricting it to FTS (SGT) will make it less common, and allow for criminals to have that chance at escape. Honestly feel as someone whom has been picking up a little bit from both sides again, that it's honestly killing further RP as people can't get to so on and so forth without a interceptor seeing them.

Huge +1 for me.

TL;DR: Promotes winning, kills further RP that could occur, unmatched to any civ vehicle. Restricting it will, allow for more balance to occur. And give criminals more of a ability to get away and continue providing RP.

[dK_]

Personally i never saw what the big deal about the interceptor is, i can keep with a chase with a cvpi just aswell as i can an interceptor. 

[UnknownRNGS]

6 hours ago, iRyaaannn said:

Being someone with experience on both crim and cop I would like to give my feedback regarding the amount of interceptors in city currently...

In my opinion the interceptor is better than every crim vehicle except bikes, Itali GTO, Jester Classic and Flash GT (sports cars).

I consider myself an experienced driver. Yet struggle to lose most interceptors on crim without hitting multiple alleyways and/or roads with an abundance of bumps. On top of this, when I drive the interceptor on my cop character, I rarely ever lose sight of a crim I'm chasing unless they use some cheese.

I have no issue with the power of an interceptor as I believe that is their intended use. However I think the sheer abundance of cops using them because they have the ability to do so is one of the multiple reasons for the reduction in crime recently. 

I believe some kind of rank and/or certification should be in place to cause a restriction in the number of interceptors being used because there is currently no reason as a cop to choose another vehicle when you have the ability to use an interceptor.

I will personally not be using an interceptor on my cop character until further notice as I feel like I'm power gaming at this point by using it.

Not going to lie, i miss the old rank restrictions. Made the PD fleet feel more diverse then just a bunch of interceptors. Anyway, +1

[phvntom]

37 minutes ago, Storrent said:

No. Think smarter while running from police. You will never be able to outrun police with speed alone. Even if you manage to outspeed one officer, more will be radioed in. Use that squishy mass inside your skull and get creative. 

Furthermore, rank restrictions for vehicles never made any sense to me. Limiting an officer's effectiveness by their rank is asinine. If any change will be made, tune down the power of the vehicle so that officers have reason to use more of the fleet. Don't give players freedom and then yank it back away after the consequences rear their ugly heads.

Criminals are running out of things to do to be creative in the eyes of the officers. RP can only go so far, if one person (an officer) can't catch the bone that we've thrown them to do something different, then we get hit with the whole book/robo-cop policing and at the extreme powergaming methods of capture. 

To bring in the notion of "You will never be able to outrun police with speed alone. To out speed or maneuver one officer, more will show up" is a horrible outlook for a game that lots of people share. This isn't real life. We've adopted real life policies, mechanics, and Role-play to mold some new way to play the game of GTA. If the police force continues to believe that they NEED these resources of extremely fast and maneuverable cars, thermal imaging on Air-One, and anything else they have then...that teeters on the line of power-gamey play.
 
If the CVPI and Interceptor are crazy fast it will leave way more room for error in driving ability/player skill on the police force versus the room for error on criminal/civilian cars. If the criminal is the better driver, they should be rewarded. If the CVPI and Interceptor can crash into poles, miss a P.I.T. and slam into a concrete barrier, and botch a tight turn, which loses momentum, to have that negated by the sheer speed and acceleration is not fair on a gameplay standpoint. 
Highway patrol cars, chase cars, and anything special SHOULD be locked behind certifications, training, and ranks. 

Why would anyone use any other car if, off jump, you can use the best handled, quickest acceleration, and highest top speed vehicle? With that mentality, the police force is creating a gameplay "Meta" where there isn't any counter, other than shooting your way out which, is also at a disadvantage for civilians. 

I was just informed that there is certification and some ranking involved when getting the chase cars and other vehicles, but the point still stands that right now, some tools that cops have in their arsenal are too powerful with no counters. 

[Storrent]

1 hour ago, phvntom said:

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So we decrease the power level of the cars that are deemed "overpowered", instead of stripping equipment away from officers altogether. The LSPD's Traffic Enforcement Unit should, without argument, possess the fastest vehicles in the fleet. The FPIS is not a vehicle that is meant to be particularly fast, and was only the speed that it is because it used to be supervisor restricted before all marked non-certification vehicles had their rank restrictions removed. The solution is not to return to an old, flawed system, but to fix the incomplete new system we have.

[Beans]

2 hours ago, Storrent said:

No. Think smarter while running from police. You will never be able to outrun police with speed alone. Even if you manage to outspeed one officer, more will be radioed in. Use that squishy mass inside your skull and get creative. 

Furthermore, rank restrictions for vehicles never made any sense to me. Limiting an officer's effectiveness by their rank is asinine. If any change will be made, tune down the power of the vehicle so that officers have reason to use more of the fleet. Don't give players freedom and then yank it back away after the consequences rear their ugly heads.

My initial statements were never supporting a belief in which I believe criminals should be able to outrun a police with speed alone. The power of the vehicle that I was attempting to discuss is not directly in relation to the speed but more in regards to its all round ability to corner, brake, accelerate and speed.

What I was insinuating was that I believe there should absolutely be room for good criminal drivers to be rewarded for driving well but the current interceptor being used in such high volumes negates that fun part of a police chase as its literally impossible unless a cop crashes out.

To add, I don't know if it was intended but I find the way you responded extremely patronising rather than informative. Suggesting I personally should be more creative does offend me when I directly go out of my way a lot more than the absolute majority of this cities criminals to be creative is a low blow when I'm just trying to give feedback considering my experience on both sides of the coin.

[Razec]

Don`t have to lock these vehicles behind certifications or rank to fix the problem. All that needs to be done is light tweaking some vehicles so they are fair for both sides.

Before the changes within PD, I`ve never seen this sort of issue being brought up, since the Interceptor was indeed locked behind rank. But bear in mind, multiple officers used Interceptors back then as well.

We lose multiple pursuits with Kurumas, Itali GTO`s and some of the fastest vehicles in the civilian fleet. We need to have something to counter that either way and especially not locked behind a very hard to get certification (compared to the other certs) such as TEU. All certs that are considered overpowered (that could win you a scenario) such as Aviation and TEU, have specific rules. We know when we should use them and when it`s too much. 

If there`s any changes to be made, they don`t have to be rank restricted. It`ll come by enforcing limits within the amount of said type of vehicles in a specific pursuit. Rules that these certifications are used to and that aren`t a major problem to those who abide by them.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Razec

[ZaxxYs]

7 hours ago, Storrent said:

No. Think smarter while running from police. You will never be able to outrun police with speed alone. Even if you manage to outspeed one officer, more will be radioed in. Use that squishy mass inside your skull and get creative. 

Furthermore, rank restrictions for vehicles never made any sense to me. Limiting an officer's effectiveness by their rank is asinine. If any change will be made, tune down the power of the vehicle so that officers have reason to use more of the fleet. Don't give players freedom and then yank it back away after the consequences rear their ugly heads.

Damn I should of said this before the Double T, Kuruma, Revolter, Dominator, etc etc etc got nerfed. Damn what was I thinking. Should of had PD think smarter to catch the criminals. DAMN!!!! 

Edited August 17, 2021 by ZaxxYs

[Hobeiche]

Rank restrictions of some kind seems to make sense or maybe just a limit to how many of a particular police vehicles can be used at any given time.

I can't really speak from a police perspective but from a criminal perspective and a lawyers (seeing tons of criminals plans) perspective I think there's something to be said about the majority of the crime that happens is pretty lame. 

People who do get creative feel punished with some of these changes but I think in general, as the majority of what I've seen take place on a consistent basis is just boring for cops (and lawyers). No plan, no back story, no interaction for the cops etc. and immediately confessing to all the crimes instantly and then begging for a lawyer then getting mad at the lawyer for not getting them out scott free.  If you are creative, this isn't about you. I just think it's important to realize that not everyone puts good effort into their escapes or even their initial entry into a robbery for that matter and if that's the case they should be caught. Cheese is over used. People are focused on making money from these robberies but I think that's probably the wrong mind set. 

While I know this is a game and people want to have fun playing robbers, I feel like the mind set of "drive fast and get away" is completely the wrong one unless you are a street racer and from what was said above it does seem that there ARE cars (vehicle except bikes, Itali GTO, Jester Classic and Flash GT (sports cars)) that can compete. That seems to make sense to me. Why would other cars compete with cop cars that are made for pursuits? Better yet, why is your plan to drive fast and getaway. When does that ever really work out IRL. 

Not to mention cops don't just drive you off the road and will allow for a chase and keep behind you.

There are so many tools & methods at a criminals disposal to use not to mention unlimited time to plan ahead. I don't think Storrent meant to be condescending but I think I understand  the frustration when people get bored of being creative. Take more time between robberies, build specific skill sets for each of your gang members and personas around those skills sets.  

I'm a terrible driver, especially when it's in a high speed chase. I've only been caught once in a straight up chase because I never let my plan be about just driving and the time that I did was because I had no plan.

People talk a lot about robo cops and power gaming on the cop side but all I see on the crim side is power gamers with characters that are good at literally everything. Hackers that are good at driving, shooting and negotiating. For example: My crim character is our groups negotiator, he doesn't hack and he doesn't drive particularly well. He's a decent shot because of his military background, but if you knock off his glasses he can't see shit and is useless because he's 66 years old. He doesn't do well in long foot chases either as he tires quickly. 

This became a bit more than just the cars but anyways, those are my thoughts   take em with a grain of salt and please don't take offense to anything as none is intended just my perspective which is limited obviously! 




 

[vDrop]

Much respect @Hobeiche. I think Criminals in the city, INCLUDING cop Characters could learn from this.