Reducing Gunplay, Promoting RP

[Matttheman]

54 minutes ago, lords8n said:

The police must be OP to handle grind crims. Absolutely understand and agree.
The problem is there are too many cops that are playing the game and can't throttle in line with RP.
These cops go 110% 100% of the time, regardless.

You're lying in the bed that you made PD.
Regulate from within or the crims will regulate from without.

...or just remove class 3's and change the server name to coplandsrp

Thank you for bringing absolutely nothing constructive to the table. Passive aggressiveness and pot stirring is unneeded. 

That said, we shouldn't be taking guns away from crims or even slowing down how many they can make. In my opinion, Gunplay is RP, we can't expect every criminal to just surrender. When cops back crims into a corner, they react.  

 

Police and crims need improvement. They always will, RP is everchanging and isn't static. Pointing fingers and saying it's the other side's fault won't help. I think our server has great characters, gangs and police. We have to find a middle ground where all sides can come together and work on the issues for the betterment of the community. 

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by Matttheman

[phvntom]

I don't believe it was necessary to delete that post. 

It didn't have the best formatting and cohesive evidence for the claims but to outright DELETE a community member's opinion seems a bit harsh. 
Isn't the forum a place where people can express their opinions and thoughts to anyone who wants to read them?! 

Very questionable decision. 

 

[tay]

The forum absolutely is a place for individuals to express their opinions/thoughts and concerns. However, when a topic is brought up and individuals directly call others out in the community, there is no space for that. Constructive feedback and criticism is welcome, we don't support attacks on the way people choose to RP.

[Kathryn Davies]

With regards to gunplay, I think it isn't the guns and production itself that need changing. Instead, I think people need to think as roleplayers how they can enrich the RP surrounding the gunplay. While random shootouts in the street are bound to happen, it's balancing that with enriching storylines where the gunplay is justified, there is background to it, and this makes it feel more intense and important. I think the issue with gunplay for me at least is that people are having shootouts for very little RP reason, and then people get picked up and carry on with their day. I think if we can make gunplay a more meaningful part of character and story development, I will happily go down in a class 3 shootout. When there is tension building and interactions that finish with an epic gunfight, it feels intense and fun and when I don't win, that loss matters to my character.

From a cop perspective it's hard to get this kind of enrichment as a lot of it is intercepting gang fights, or suspects pulling guns simply because we're police, which leads to my other thing; I think guns need to be more last resort, as opposed to guns getting pulled all the time. We need to reinstate the danger of guns and I think knowing the risks of a gunfight and that you could very well die changes the dynamic. This means you need more serious reasons to engage, and need to think strategically about numbers, positioning, and getting out before cops get there. Even when fleeing from cops, you can try to think more strategically about where you're going and what you're doing during that gunfight, you can stop mid gunfight and try to extend a conversation for negotiation again (as can the police), and overall try to be both more creative and more careful about what you're doing.

But this is a public server, and there will always be people who either are not as experienced with roleplay, or prioritise other parts of roleplay that you individually may not. It's the balance of super original, creative criminals (and cops) and your typical suspects that make the city dynamic, and keep the pace changing throughout the day. I don't think you could have one side of things without the other, both in how people play out gunfights and in general cop/crim interactions. I would like to see more thought going behind things and gunplay being leaned on a lot less as opposed to other methods, but it's those playstyle differences that make the experience unique in my opinion.

Edited November 28, 2021 by Kathryn Davies

[lords8n]

2 hours ago, Matttheman said:

Thank you for bringing absolutely nothing constructive to the table. Passive aggressiveness and pot stirring is unneeded. 

That said, we shouldn't be taking guns away from crims or even slowing down how many they can make. In my opinion, Gunplay is RP, we can't expect every criminal to just surrender. When cops back crims into a corner, they react.  

 

Police and crims need improvement. They always will, RP is everchanging and isn't static. Pointing fingers and saying it's the other side's fault won't help. I think our server has great characters, gangs and police. We have to find a middle ground where all sides can come together and work on the issues for the betterment of the community. 

 

What is in my words is the truth.


 

[AtomicGinger]

2 hours ago, lords8n said:

What is in my words is the truth.


 

No, my man, your words were entirely unfactual. And lines such as "You're lying in the bed you've made, PD" is proof that you're only seeing this from one side of the situation and pinning the blame all on the PD. If you refuse to acknowledge that the issue is on both sides then YOU, my friend, are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Edited November 29, 2021 by AtomicGinger

[MJ.]

At the end of the day, it is a video game. We are all RPers, some of us are more experienced then others.. and thats completely fine. We are ALL still learning different ways to RP. GTA RP doesn't always have to be extreme hostility towards cops, or cops treating every criminal the same because they are... well... criminals. We are all here to have fun, and we all need to learn to find that happy medium. 

I've always told people to make a cop character, or a criminal character if they haven't already. You see from BOTH sides the issues that need to be fix, and you can then be the person who possibly changes someone else RP in a positive manner. 

Shoot outs are fun, yes. But that doesn't always have to be the answer. If you go into a robbery, you should always think that there is a chance that you might win or a chance you might lose, same for cops. Being upset on both sides because you lost, completely ruins the RP. 

You are here to RP and have a good time away from the stress of the real world. So start doing that. 

[GK47_]

On 11/28/2021 at 3:47 AM, Nesbit said:

 

I can 100% agree with cops being hunted down and lit the hell up, it literally happened a couple days ago where a group of 4 got pissed off because we went to go for a warrant, and they started hunting down and shooting every LSPD officer with class 3's. 

This literally wasn't the case here's the link to the VOD, and you can watch it from Griffins POV too, where ever his link is: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1214004676
Not here to bash any RP scenario, it's all in RP so we don't care OOC. However, even Griffin admitted that there was poor communication from the cops. What we did later wasn't "hunting" cops. We wanted to find a specific officer who didn't communicate well with us, and punish him by cutting his hair. Something like that couldn't happen because life alert button kept getting abused by cops whenever we held a cop at gunpoint! 

Didn't want to chime into this thread as I feel it's just a bunch of disagreements but I saw this and had to say my peace as what you stated wasn't the case! Thank you

[lords8n]

4 hours ago, AtomicGinger said:

No, my man, your words were entirely unfactual. And lines such as "You're lying in the bed you've made, PD" is proof that you're only seeing this from one side of the situation and pinning the blame all on the PD. If you refuse to acknowledge that the issue is on both sides then YOU, my friend, are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

The first line of what I said demonstrates my understanding of the issue you speak of.
Some PD just don't throttle it back for those that actually try to RP.
I'm not PD or crim. I hear and see it on both sides from unbiased eyes.

[Erwin]

1 hour ago, GK47_ said:

This literally wasn't the case here's the link to the VOD, and you can watch it from Griffins POV too, where ever his link is: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1214004676
Not here to bash any RP scenario, it's all in RP so we don't care OOC. However, even Griffin admitted that there was poor communication from the cops. What we did later wasn't "hunting" cops. We wanted to find a specific officer who didn't communicate well with us, and punish him by cutting his hair. Something like that couldn't happen because life alert button kept getting abused by cops whenever we held a cop at gunpoint! 

Didn't want to chime into this thread as I feel it's just a bunch of disagreements but I saw this and had to say my peace as what you stated wasn't the case! Thank you

Okay, well I wasn't watching Griffin's vod, so I wasn't aware. As for the point with the life alert part, I believe you're mentioning the part at the red garage, and that too was a misunderstanding. Johnny Bravo (aka Morgan) didn't even hit his alert, that was actually the second officer that arrived. He admitted afterwards that he realized his mistake.

 

So yes while there was an reason, if you look on it from our side, it kinda just looked like y'all hunting us, especially when we were told by one that every LSPD officer was going to be hunted. So I am glad that's not the case, in all it was pretty fun.

[Billryethejewishguy]

4 minutes ago, Nesbit said:

Okay, well I wasn't watching Griffin's vod, so I wasn't aware. As for the point with the life alert part, I believe you're mentioning the part at the red garage, and that too was a misunderstanding. Johnny Bravo (aka Morgan) didn't even hit his alert, that was actually the second officer that arrived. He admitted afterwards that he realized his mistake.

 

So yes while there was an reason, if you look on it from our side, it kinda just looked like y'all hunting us, especially when we were told by one that every LSPD officer was going to be hunted. So I am glad that's not the case, in all it was pretty fun.

Whelp after what just happened at sandy, if you cant figure out why gangs don't bother trying to do rp scenarios and just start shooting then I dont know what to tell yeah... 

[Lydia Jax]

1 hour ago, lords8n said:

The first line of what I said demonstrates my understanding of the issue you speak of.
Some PD just don't throttle it back for those that actually try to RP.
I'm not PD or crim. I hear and see it on both sides from unbiased eyes.

I feel like since you've joined the server all you've ever done is shit on PD and other peoples opinions, but get mad when yours is proved wrong. You refuse to see anyone else opinion on this, you just resort to attacking people. You've multiple times have called people stupid and such. I feel as though you should probably throttle it back a bit. This thread has become pretty toxic/has gotten no where. Possibly let others have opinions whether you agree with them or not. 

[Lydia Jax]

NOTHING in this server is perfect. There will ALWAYS be issues between cops and crims. The cap is at 150, which means 150 different personalities at once, it is going to get out of hand. Yes, both PD/BCSO and Crims BOTH need work on BOTH sides. The people who are complaining about cops are the same ones who don't put in IAs. PD/BCSO CANNOT address an issue with an officer if senior PD/BCSO doesn't know about it. Crims on the server need to get out of the mentality that IAs do nothing. I've seen people demoted over IAs, so yes IAs do something. It might not do the outcome you would want, but something does come of it. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by Lydia Jax

[Denver]

4 hours ago, GK47_ said:

This literally wasn't the case here's the link to the VOD, and you can watch it from Griffins POV too, where ever his link is: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1214004676

We tried to communicate, we had an officer WITH HIS HANDS UP come closer to talk to you guys, we couldn't hear you talk, and the same way around. 

We don't have access to a megaphone so we have to work with the shouting distance, which really sucks at times. 

It's not fair to blame 1 side. 

--

Now as someone who has 4 crim chars and 1 cop. I agree class 3's are used a bit too often. Like stated before, they shouldn't be used for 24/7 robberies and Digital Dan robberies. These stores are petty crimes, they don't always require a fast car to get away either. 

There was someone who stated 'don't use hostages for these robberies'. Let me tell you, I have tried. And I have seen both on PD and crim side (to the point of pissing me off) 99% of the time PD push in because of this, or put spikes down immediately or tase when you get out of the store. 

I don't think things should ONLY change on PD or ONLY change on crim. We are a community, PD is useless without crims and vise versa. 

I personally don't care about catching crims, ever, if the RP was good, screw it they win. 

I have a character that runs 4x slower than people and I'm laughing my ass off every time, cause I get good interactions. 

"Dont blame the guns, weapons, cars, faction, groups. Blame the people." 

 

Anyways I'm out. 

[lords8n]

7 hours ago, Lydia Jax said:

I feel like since you've joined the server all you've ever done is shit on PD and other peoples opinions, but get mad when yours is proved wrong. You refuse to see anyone else opinion on this, you just resort to attacking people. You've multiple times have called people stupid and such. I feel as though you should probably throttle it back a bit. This thread has become pretty toxic/has gotten no where. Possibly let others have opinions whether you agree with them or not. 

ON TOPIC
Phil is on the street among the criminals, and also interacts with PD, all the time...every day.
While EMS Phil is over to the side making a fool of himself with whoever is down he's listening to everything everyone says...every single comment and action.
I'm trying to tell all of you Trips (my pet name for you triple digit IDs btw) what the criminals think, but you don't want to hear it.

I'm not mad in the least.
I have never attacked anyone.
I've never called anyone stupid...and such.
YOU, specifically, Lydia Jax, tried this blame tactic on Discord with me.
Stop trying to bully people, and try to care about what those without three digit IDs have to say.

And, FYI, I have absolutely zero amount of mad or anger in me in any of these interactions.

But I understand, I do. I understand that the Trips feel a sense of ownership and urge to "protect" the city, its rules, and laws, having been here and invested for so long.
As far as I know this shouldn't be the Trips' exclusive playground that only they write the rules for. But that's how it looks...to the people. And this is why, in the short time that i've been here, i've already seen the better part of one major gang peace out to another city.

And in closing i'd like to say...
If I didn't care I wouldn't post. So please stop misinterpreting and trying to twist my posts into some kind of attack.
I'm just a concerned player with a voice trying to help a place I like to visit often. And I feel I have a unique perspective.

I'm Phil Long, and i'm running for Governor of Los Santos.
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[Lydia Jax]

19 minutes ago, lords8n said:

ON TOPIC
Phil is on the street among the criminals, and also interacts with PD, all the time...every day.
While EMS Phil is over to the side making a fool of himself with whoever is down he's listening to everything everyone says...every single comment and action.
I'm trying to tell all of you Trips (my pet name for you triple digit IDs btw) what the criminals think, but you don't want to hear it.

I'm not mad in the least.
I have never attacked anyone.
I've never called anyone stupid...and such.
YOU, specifically, Lydia Jax, tried this blame tactic on Discord with me.
Stop trying to bully people, and try to care about what those without three digit IDs have to say.

And, FYI, I have absolutely zero amount of mad or anger in me in any of these interactions.

But I understand, I do. I understand that the Trips feel a sense of ownership and urge to "protect" the city, its rules, and laws, having been here and invested for so long.
As far as I know this shouldn't be the Trips' exclusive playground that only they write the rules for. But that's how it looks...to the people. And this is why, in the short time that i've been here, i've already seen the better part of one major gang peace out to another city.

And in closing i'd like to say...
If I didn't care I wouldn't post. So please stop misinterpreting and trying to twist my posts into some kind of attack.
I'm just a concerned player with a voice trying to help a place I like to visit often. And I feel I have a unique perspective.

I'm Phil Long, and i'm running for Governor of Los Santos.
(this message paid for by the Phil Long Foundation, a non-profit organization.)

If I remember correctly, you went on a huge rant attacking PD cause off roading gives probable cause, I’ve never “blame tactic” you. What I’m saying is literally stuff that has been said to you. For someone whose concerned about a community, you sure attack the community and the members a lot. You’ve been told multiple times by different people that you’re nothing but negative towards anyone or anyone who has a discussion with you. You refuse to listen to anyone else’s opinions. 

[Beans]

At the end of the day, it's not easy to original when comes to heist plans. I myself have exhausted to majority of my ideas over the last 9 months however, when done right, class 3's create awesome intense situations for both cops and crims. Can they be used negatively? Absolutely, but does the negative use hold enough weight to damage who uses them correctly? I don't believe so.

I believe the best solution to this issue is for weapon manufactures to do some research on the people they're selling to. If the people wanting weapons are ratty crims that use bikes and water all the time then best believe they will abuse the weapons too. However if you have heard good things about these up and coming criminals then give them some tester runs with smaller class 3's and see how they deal with them.

Selling class 3's should be less about building a weapon empire and more about being the facilitators of hostile RP.

 

[Matttheman]

2 hours ago, lords8n said:

I'm trying to tell all of you Trips (my pet name for you triple digit IDs btw) what the criminals think, but you don't want to hear it.

So, me? I think I'm the only 3 digit these days. Seems silly to bring up, deff don't think there is any difference between a 3 digit person and a 4, 5,etc.

 

2 hours ago, lords8n said:

But I understand, I do. I understand that the Trips feel a sense of ownership and urge to "protect" the city, its rules, and laws, having been here and invested for so long.
As far as I know this shouldn't be the Trips' exclusive playground that only they write the rules for. But that's how it looks...to the people. And this is why, in the short time that I've been here, I've already seen the better part of one major gang peace out to another city.

Now, I have heard some crazy things, But this is a first for me. "Trips' exclusive playground". Don't understand what you're trying to get at. 

 

2 hours ago, lords8n said:

And in closing i'd like to say...
If I didn't care I wouldn't post. So please stop misinterpreting and trying to twist my posts into some kind of attack.
I'm just a concerned player with a voice trying to help a place I like to visit often. And I feel I have a unique perspective.

I really hope you look at what you originally posted. You caring is not the problem nor will it ever be or even speaking your mind. Just make it constructive, Because outside looking in, it looks like you're trying to be edgy, just to be edgy. Say the issue and bring up a solution. 

 

As a member of this community, I hate to see this back and forth from crims and cops that both sides need nerfing. Alls it does is make each side less fun. Both sides should have as many tools as they can get for RP. I do understand that PD needs to improve. Again, We always will, We have to adapt to gangs and the new tactics they bring. We are striving to be better and give everyone a great RP experience. We won't always hit that mark but we will try to get better from every interaction.

[Spartan]

Thread has been locked.

 

This is no longer a productive thread and has devolved into an endless loop of back and forth with no attempt for a resolution. Staff are aware of the issue and are looking at ways of resolving this.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Spartan