Serena Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) I know EMS struggles with having more to do/the feeling of more responsibility and uniqueness to their role. With the recent release to addiction in the city, why not start making use of the Rehab Center? Curious what you guys think and what ideas could come from this, but a thought I had was perhaps... Much like PD can being able to send someone off to prison at Bolingbroke, EMS could send someone off to the rehab center for treatment if their addiction problems are bad enough (this is where SOPs would come in). This could be for more than just addiction, it could be rehab for mental problems, or even physical therapy to recover from serious injuries. You know those times when someone pleads temporary insanity to cops? They could defer to EMS who then does an inspection and decides if they should be sent to Rehab/Therapy. Rehab/Therapy can be costly though, it wouldn't be free...  Just some thoughts Edited November 26, 2018 by Serena 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgs Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 I didn't know an addict could be forced into rehab or to get help? I mean I would think if this was added it would have to be totally up to the person to want to go there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vDrop Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 I like this, as long is its not a tool used to avoid jail time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielBos Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 This was talked about and no action taken at this time. I think it should be a watch and wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serena Posted November 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 The avoiding jailtime for rehab hopefully wouldn't really work, because it'd involve a lot more time and RP dedicated to the scene to figure out if they are actually worthy of going to rehab. I don't think rehab would allow weapons, and it does cost money... Addicts wouldn't HAVE to go, but if they are breaking the law while under the influence, maybe a better route would be to require medical help perhaps over prison time?  This could all be worked out, imo. Just thoughts  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vDrop Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Those with addiction and break the law, see jail time and rehab upon release. I understand we try not to compare IRL, but rehab isn't an escape from crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielBos Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 In those cases or rehab over jail its a locked down rehab and they have to do the required amount of time as well as complete the stages  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vDrop Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 @Rayburn Think that'll be based on area. My previous employment in my area, you were sentenced for rehab/jail. You did rehab (lockdown) and went to jail for the remainder of your sentencing. Some addicts were forced to jail, then had to go to a rehab program once released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 As member of EMS, I really do not want to force anyone to rehab tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Green Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 I have been wanting to do this for quite some time since we knew about the drug addictions coming into the city, As a person who has had his own brother unfortunately IRL have to go through a drug rehabilitation center or go to jail, the way they do it here is you either go to court ordered drug rehabilitation or you go to jail for the full sentence, so what we could do is have say an officer come in and have that individual handcuffed with foot shackles on and bring that person into the drug rehabilitation room and they can't leave until we have them completely clean, but if they say stop then we stop and we let them go with LSPD if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgs Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr. Green said: the way they do it here is you either go to court ordered drug rehabilitation or you go to jail for the full sentence Again I don't think we should force anyone to do this if they don't want to and secondly, I don't know if this is an LSPD issue and possibly having time for officers come to wherever to do this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Green Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 It doesn't really have to be court ordered but maybe for instance put a drug rehabilitation site in the prison somewhere? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keebler_mfn_elf Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) There needs to be some sort of training for EMS on how to do this. tonight i had an EMS give me his drug test kit, instead of using it. then also taking over 30 min to not fix me from passing out and blacking out. The system needs to be simpler so that we are not sitting in the hospital 30+ min, and then find out they did not do anything.  Edited November 28, 2018 by keebler_mfn_elf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Green Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Yes Keebler I was trying to help but he insisted he did it so I backed off, sorry for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Prozekt Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 7 hours ago, keebler_mfn_elf said: There needs to be some sort of training for EMS on how to do this. tonight i had an EMS give me his drug test kit, instead of using it. then also taking over 30 min to not fix me from passing out and blacking out. The system needs to be simpler so that we are not sitting in the hospital 30+ min, and then find out they did not do anything. There's a simple solution to that, don't overdose on drugs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keebler_mfn_elf Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Bret Prozekt [2475] said: There's a simple solution to that, don't overdose on drugs. Um well maybe the code needs to be also looked at because if you take one meth you get addicted, if you take 3 pills in one hour you get addicted. I dont know what coke is like never done it and the meth was a fluke accident because my phone would not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[uDi]uncle_walter87 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 "The meth was a fluke accident...also, these aren't my pants." - Things criminals say. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, keebler_mfn_elf said: Um well maybe the code needs to be also looked at because if you take one meth you get addicted, if you take 3 pills in one hour you get addicted. I dont know what coke is like never done it and the meth was a fluke accident because my phone would not close. File bug report on what you notice perhaps. Because I noticed that DTK does not always work on people ect. So I filed report. This is new feature so bugs happen and only way for devs to fix is get reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Green Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 All I'm seeing now is 6 hours ago, Bret Prozekt [2475] said: There's a simple solution to that, don't overdose on drugs. and..... 3 hours ago, [uDi]uncle_walter87 said: "The meth was a fluke accident...also, these aren't my pants." - Things criminals say. No offense but this isn't helping the conversation, its pointless BS that is not needed. @Flori I think this would be a great idea but ultimately its I guess up to you and the gods so hopefully our concerns will be helpful and maybe we can see a Drug Rehab Center very soon. Thanks Mr. Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[uDi]uncle_walter87 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 All joking aside, by what means would this increase RP? From the LEO side of the server, we already have means to decrease penalties for felonious drug possession (primarily through getting a lawyer involved in the RP to decrease ticket cost, jail, and restitution). It is my opinion that there must be some manner of "payment" for their crimes. One might be able to "RP" the idea of having a rehab center/have EMS "check" the patient when they arrive at Bolingbrook, etc. However, they are still committing illegal acts on the server, and there must be some punishment that comes along with it. (I apologize for my flippant response earlier. I intended to follow-up with something similar to the above, but got stuck out and about running errands and doing some school work.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serena Posted November 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 I think it would be much more fun if EMS had responsibilities outside of just helping someone that is downed. The drug addiction is a step in the right direction. I think having use of Mt Zonah hospital is also great, I personally have an ongoing RP with some EMS here that requires I go there daily for check-ups and treatments. I see no one else doing this, though... So, my thoughts on somehow incorporating the Rehab center was simply to help give more responsibility and RP to EMS outside of when someone is downed. It also allows more RP opportunities between EMS and PD. Perhaps the specific idea I came up with is not the best, but that is what this discussion is for... I don't think a proper response is "I don't want this", I think a proper one would be an alternative suggestion... Again, just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[uDi]uncle_walter87 Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Serena said: I think it would be much more fun if EMS had responsibilities outside of just helping someone that is downed. The drug addiction is a step in the right direction. I think having use of Mt Zonah hospital is also great, I personally have an ongoing RP with some EMS here that requires I go there daily for check-ups and treatments. My recruit and I called for EMS last night on a traffic stop when our arrestee began complaining of a possible drug overdose. It was some pretty cool RP that I would like to see expanded further. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 I think the idea of the rehabilitation center is awesome. I've been thinking on ways to utilize it since addiction was introduced.  I'm sure many of you know the location but if you don't, its a little northwest of the Vinewood hills off of Marlowe.  I am very open to feedback & suggestions - but this is how I believe we could go about utilizing it. First, you can either check yourself in at the front doors (Shown Below) or have either EMS or PD (with EMS approval) Escort you to the location. I do agree that there should be a price to clock yourself in, but i'm not sure what would be suitable. Once "clocked in" to rehab, you cannot leave. (This could work similar to boilingbroke prison in which you can technically walk out, but are subsequently teleported back inside. When you begin rehabilitation, you will have a 30 minute timer (Similar to jail time). However, if you complete tasks around the center, your time will drop by 2-3 minutes each time. Each animation lasting at least 10 seconds. This promotes people actively "using" the center, and not just AFK'ing once you're inside. Tasks could work similar to the Gym system in which it is a simple key to animation. Once the timer is complete you would be considered "Clean" & would no longer have any trace of drugs in your system & would suffer no withdrawals. Activities could include : "Press E to Study"  "Press E to begin Yoga" "Press E to work out" "Press E to Lounge at the pool" or "Press E to wonder why you ever did drugs in the first place"  I believe a lot of interesting RP can stem from this Idea and I would love to hear what you think could be tweaked or added to make it even better! 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serena Posted November 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 @Juan LaingI love that idea. Additionally, there should be allowed visitors? People who can come check in on their family or something without having to pay the price for rehab? I think 30 minutes is a bit steep to subject yourself to unless there's something seriously interactive and worthwhile for us after it all. I think you have the right idea, this is great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 @Serena Absolutely! That's why I noted that it can work like the prison - other people can come and visit but the patient themselves can't leave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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