Penny Lane Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 ahh... to clarify... not everyone wants supercars... so not everyone feels they need to grind to get the cars they want. Penny likes muscle cars. they are not that pricey. We do get cash to RP. we get a wage from the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 The 'wage' you refer to is a very tiny $200 every however often it pops into the account, while it is kind of notable when doing the legal jobs, since the money from those is far quicker/safer and not to mention 'good' - the money you can attain from criminal activities really makes the grind to purchase even a semi reliable vehicle (around the $100k+) so much harder than any legal job with a completely insignificant payout for the VERY slow processing method (meth van filled....wow there goes about an hour or so waiting for it all to cook) before going to try sell if with many failed sales and heightened risk of being caught due to them always alerting cops, it wouldn't be so bad if the money collected wasn't so trashy or the alerts was after a certain number of times perhaps? - I can legit make HEAPS more delivering or gold farming in a hell of a lot less time, it's just less fun not having LSPD's watchful eye. I try to stick with the criminal job options for the risk and excitement but the payload for the effort and frequency of being busted/caught/avoidance of being caught is really not worth the work and the time investment. "Not everyone wants supercars", well not everyone wants to play legit or as a criminal but it is usually what most people are grinding for to assist with some form of RP (eg, I want to establish/host an underground racing community but how can I when I haven't any money from being bad?). How much are the EMS/LSPD wages by the way, maybe a life of crime fighting nets a lot more without it always being taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrymonkey Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 All illegal activity involves making and selling of drugs and that grind gets very repetitive. How about an illegal trucking job. It offers 25% more payout but you are hauling illegal goods. That would give traffic officers more rp. It would also put illegal activity as the top moneymaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Johnson Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Love all the ideas of the illegal trucking job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT_Windwoman Posted January 20, 2019 Report Share Posted January 20, 2019 perhaps playing a cop would be more fun if you added a "Who dun-nit" element with investigation to your cop RP. instead of just arresting a criminal. Just a though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Lane Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 23 hours ago, MT_Windwoman said: perhaps playing a cop would be more fun if you added a "Who dun-nit" element with investigation to your cop RP. instead of just arresting a criminal. Just a though. Are you a cop? Or are you intentionally being sassy? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Thornberry Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 23 hours ago, MT_Windwoman said: perhaps playing a cop would be more fun if you added a "Who dun-nit" element with investigation to your cop RP. instead of just arresting a criminal. Just a though. Personly as a part of the LSPD I can't imagene any way this could be mixed in with econmy and the money. This would rather be something needed to be aranged and pre planned on forehand and also most likely have to be pre planned with the police department and would almost rather be like and event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashfere Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 I cannot stress enough how much RP is lost because of the focus on money on this server. There are many cops who go out of their way to enhance any RP interaction with criminals who are doing illegal activities in a hope that they not only continue to do the illegal jobs but mix it up, think outside the box. Come up with new ruses, new disguises, set up elaborate operations instead of thinking about the logistics of sharing profits and simply doing the bog standard un-inventive ROBOCRIM things like hopping off a bike, selling, hopping back on the bike driving off. If criminals put as much effort into thinking of new ways to make drugs/ sell drugs/ evade, as they did worrying about their bank accounts this server would be a hell of a lot better off. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben ~ Reckonity Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dashfere said: I cannot stress enough how much RP is lost because of the focus on money on this server. There are many cops who go out of their way to enhance any RP interaction with criminals who are doing illegal activities in a hope that they not only continue to do the illegal jobs but mix it up, think outside the box. Come up with new ruses, new disguises, set up elaborate operations instead of thinking about the logistics of sharing profits and simply doing the bog standard un-inventive ROBOCRIM things like hopping off a bike, selling, hopping back on the bike driving off. If criminals put as much effort into thinking of new ways to make drugs/ sell drugs/ evade, as they did worrying about their bank accounts this server would be a hell of a lot better off. I 100% agree with Dash here, while I understand some cops might not be the same as Dash did state "Many" not all, we're just trying to make situations have rich RP but half the time they will be pissed and not even try to RP. I feel like people are straight up caring too much about the balance they have, while I understand the charges are very expensive it's because of how much people are grinding so we try to balance it out. Please just consider what Dash has said as she says amazing points about how we should be trying to put effort into how we do stuff instead the same old stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Backing up what Dash said. idk why people get mad when they get caught doing illegal things. Getting caught / running from the cops is the best part of it. I don't even sell when there are not many people on because its boring without the chance of getting caught. At the same time, in order to do criminal things in this city you need to have money. Otherwise you can't pay fines, buy licenses again, etc. It's very hard to balance it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r3v0Lt55 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 So I see a lot of cops here longing for more RP but from personal experience over multiple month and multiple scenarios anytime I try and do one these elaborate RP situations with I personally get shut down with zero creativity from the PD. If there is going to be no reward for the time and creativity that I put into these situations then personally I'm not going to put the effort in to make it fun for everyone. I can see why criminals feel the way they do. Got t-boned by a cop with no sirens going 90+ through an intersection where my eyes showed a green for me and his eyes showed a green for him. RP'd an injury, got EMS involved, got a lawyer and got them involved, multiple bystanders all involved on scene so it was a pretty big scene. All to be shut down from any civil suit because of GO Pro. Zero creativity or ability to adapt to a situation shown. Set up a scenario trying to get a cop to escort me and my drug van to a drug deal. Officer arrived and I had an envelope for him to give to the "chief" ($10,000). Really just wanted him to come along so that he could get the bigger bust where I had 2 additional members of the scenario waiting at the UTool parking lot. He could have followed in his car and called for backup to secure the scene and catch us all in the act but instead he gets Tiller to come down and Tiller salvaged the situation as best as could be salvaged. Criminals are people to who just want to have fun playing a game and when the level of creativity from the cops isn't there then they are just going to Robo Crime and grind. If the level of the experience doesn't out weight the 30-50k hit I'm going to take then why should I put in the effort. I just think both sides needs to have a more open mind and have a little understanding of the other sides view points. And I'm def not seeing that from these comments. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashfere Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Both sides have to be persistent. No having a bad scene and giving up. If people are truly here for the RP they make it work. They don't throw their hands up and say fuck it.. They keep going, get themselves a reputation good or bad and roll with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT_Windwoman Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 12:05 PM, Penny Lane said: Are you a cop? Or are you intentionally being sassy?  No I was making a suggestion why would you interpret it as being sassy? Wasn't this thread started to find a way to make it fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT_Windwoman Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 12:10 PM, Frank Thornberry said: Personly as a part of the LSPD I can't imagene any way this could be mixed in with econmy and the money. This would rather be something needed to be aranged and pre planned on forehand and also most likely have to be pre planned with the police department and would almost rather be like and event. not quite sure but I will think abut how it could be worked out. It was basically just presenting an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltMail1227 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Me and a couple friends want to get into criminal activitys when we get in. the risk factor is always the fun part always watching for the cops and trying to play it cool calls for some amazing moments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Savage Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited)  Hello all, so this is a very interesting topic for me. As i have done a lot of mechanic work and have heard a lot of voices over the last few months, the main concern i constantly hear is the lack of RP within criminal activities. Sort of dull monotone stuff that can be done, store robberies, making and selling drugs. These limit a lot the RP content that people can create, at least this is what i have understood. Several of us have talked about how things could get more in depth related to the creation of scenarios or storylines for people to evolve and RP threw. Here is one thought that could be of interest or perhaps has already been discussed in the past. Others and myself think that if the coke labs, which is a instance could be in several different locations across the map, these areas could be off the grid to CIVS and LSPD. I personally think that by doing so this would create a massive amount of RP creation related to the CIVS and LSPD side, examples would be, finding the zone, searching for it while trying to be discreet about it, once found creating a structure around it either to allow others to profit from it or just to control it and fend of other groups wanting to overrun you or perhaps they just want a piece of the pie, all while the LSPD must RP to investigate and try to find the location, threw arresting dealers and trying to obtain information by interrogation or setting up undercover drug agents, sting operations, who knows what could come of that. LSPD busts the lab, lab is placed at another location. Starting the process over.This is just related to the coke labs and is a very simplistic run down of a possible enhancement to the RP environment related to that illegal activity. Some people want to be the Scarface of LS and that option is just not available the way things are set up. The only problem is imagination, people need a guideline a sort of structure to create from. Once they have that possibility there imagination becomes the limit to what they will or can create. Make cocaine at this moment is, get 100 cement, buy 100 leaves, go to lab make coke and sell it. So cement is done mainly alone pretty much zero RP needed, ordering leaves could have some RP involvement but is mainly a financial transaction with little to no RP needed. Now comes making the cocaine, 2 man group, 1 look out 1 cook, does that make for a lot of RP, not at all in my opinion, even if you are more than one cook you are processing cocaine and not trying to create some story or content. Then once all that is done you must go sell it, probably the only moment you will be able to get the most RP out of this illegal activity is if you get busted, fined and sent to jail. Mike Savage Edited February 3, 2019 by Mike Savage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny Lane Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 6:45 PM, MT_Windwoman said: No I was making a suggestion why would you interpret it as being sassy? Wasn't this thread started to find a way to make it fun? it was the "just a thought" added at the end of your post which is quite sassy. I like sassy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phvntom Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 So, I've taken a very long break from Badlands RP, and FiveM in general. There are tons of new things here in the city and its great. But in terms of criminal RP and just criminal interaction, its STILL very poor. I have been robbed at gun point, minding my own business, just to comply and get shot more times than I can count. And it happened about 20 minutes ago before server reset. It's really tiring and it's not fun or inventive. Mike Savage's comment about the cocaine lab idea would be great. Although that's not my character's drug of choice, it would add a lot to everyone involved. I have never been a part of a scenario and I have yet to find anyone that wants to talk about businesses and/or illegal activity within the game, forums, and discord. REvolt has a point about scenarios and time put in to be creative vs. less thought making all that time moot. My opinion might not hold any merit due to the absence of being active and what not, but this issue was one reason I left badlands in the first place. The only criminal RP ive experienced, is being the victim. We'll see what transpires.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TanMelon Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 I am fairly new to the server but I have to say this is the most fun I had with any system of drugs as you acutally growing weed or making meth in a van. Not just go to circle A wait, B wait, C profit. That gets boring. i love selling to random Npcs around town and when a group of vagos sells you out it feels really funny. My charecter is curently broke AF now and barley got out of my van getting seized but I am willing to continue to RP for the sake of fun! Just wish my friend saw it that way. lol gets mad way to easily outside RP 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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