Stacking body armor during gun fights.

[ZaxxYs]

Can we limit the amount of body armor that people can have in their pockets to stop them from using armors 4-5 times in the same shootout?? Its crazy to me how we have people putting on 4-5 armors in the same fight, running out of armor and searching downed people to grab more armor out of their pockets to armor even more. Should not be a thing in my opinion. Make it so you have 1 body armor on you and another one in your pockets and that is it. What do you guys think?

[CeeTee]

^ I second this. I do carry more than 2 body armors when I'm on PD but not to re-armor 100x in the same engagement. I TRY to limit myself to 1-2 armor ups in a single gun fight. Sure I am guilty of putting on more but I can agree that once it gets to the point of putting on armor over and over again it then becomes a game of who has more armor and ammo

[vDrop]

mmm I agree but I'll also disagree too. 

- I agree for the simplicity having that much armor on you is ridiculous due to weight, however...

- I disagree because putting armor on puts you at a disadvantage due to the animation, which I find to be balanced. I find it balanced because....

1.  You have to find a safe spot to put armor on without getting ambushed; or becoming an easy target to be downed
2. If you are "scattering" to pick up armor, that's more time you are not defending yourself, and when going through pockets even more time.

With that in mind, it creates panic, stress, etc. 

 

Its still a game, with the raid events being an unorthodox normality that we are use to on a daily basis, I find it to be necessary, especially from a criminal perspective. I've been downed putting on armor, and I've sure have put people down putting on armor. The only thing I'll counter with you is that I don't think armor should be allowed to be put in when in a vehicle.  

[TheT]

I think the issue was more people were getting lit up and just picking up more and more armor off of bodies. At what point do you say “okay, I think I would be dead by now”? 

[vDrop]

Is this from a criminal perspective or PD? I only ask because I don't recall seeing anyone in PD doing this. 

[Samantha Hatfield]

This falls under NVL, in my opinion. If you are in the same shootout, been bleeding and etc and already went through three or so armors; then you would assume "Hmm, I should be dead".
Personally from me, I like to see where the bullet hits for me on the screen so I can roleplay out my injuries. Was it a head hit on the neck and or etc, then of course I wouldn't re-armor as I know that it's a serious injury and etc and armor wouldn't fix it.

Armor only protects you're center mass, but people don't think of it like that. They think of it as a iron clad boom bow unstoppable, think where the bullets are hitting.

[TheT]

I wear one armor and have one more on my person. If I run out, that’s it. 
 

also, yes there was PD scrounging for more armors on downed players. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by jp9528

[Storrent]

3 hours ago, vDrop said:

Is this from a criminal perspective or PD? I only ask because I don't recall seeing anyone in PD doing this. 

In the one raid I've attended, I've had SWAT tell me to take a lot of plates, for purposes of re-armoring during gunfights, I can only assume. It happens on both sides.

[ZaxxYs]

4 hours ago, vDrop said:

Is this from a criminal perspective or PD? I only ask because I don't recall seeing anyone in PD doing this. 

oh really? Come on now bro, you been here for a while XDDD. Go sit back and watch some streams hahaha. Go and watch Levi POV from last night you see at least 4-5 cops re-armoring behind vehicles with 5 other covering them, I dont see the risk your talking about, do this once and its ok do it 4 times and your breaking the game. That is my opinion, may be wrong but thats what I think.

[ZaxxYs]

45 minutes ago, Storrent said:

In the one raid I've attended, I've had SWAT tell me to take a lot of plates, for purposes of re-armoring during gunfights, I can only assume. It happens on both sides.

I can PROMISE you it doesnt happen on crim side, not because we dont want to but because we CANT, it costs me alot of money or time to get some plate, im not gonna bring 6 to a fight when im probably going to lose and get all of that removed from me. If the cost was 10 bucks like its for PD then hell yeah, I would have 6 on me and 15 more in my car like PD does but this is not the case. Same goes for bullets, Crims show up with like 200 bullets no more than that because that is already a shit ton of money, and then they have an MK2 with 400 rounds as a back up, meanwhile you have PD with a heavy pistol with 500 rounds, an SMG with 500 rounds, and a carbine rifle with 500 rounds, all for the cheap cost of $55.99 haha.

[Harold Gray]

I agree with ZaxxYs as a crim it is not that viable to carry that many armors and usually we don’t have the numbers to have backup to cover us while we put on new armor and usually if one cop get put down 5 more show up because of the officer down and it totally shifts everything to where as a crim your just done at that point

[dK_]

I’m I the only one who won’t re armor at all unless the scene is clear or secure? Don’t get me wrong I keep multiples on me and in my vehicle just so I don’t have to go back to MRPD every gunfight but I will never re armor mid gunfight it just seems awkward to me. Maybe it’s why I get downed so often. 

[Erwin]

42 minutes ago, Someguy said:

I agree with ZaxxYs as a crim it is not that viable to carry that many armors and usually we don’t have the numbers to have backup to cover us while we put on new armor and usually if one cop get put down 5 more show up because of the officer down and it totally shifts everything to where as a crim your just done at that point

I can't speak for the PD side of the calls, but I do know that as EMS when this OP was going on, we had... 5 ambulances on standby and we made it very clear to everyone else clocked in to not accept calls. If they saw us accept a call then they were to ignore it.

[ZaxxYs]

2 hours ago, Nesbit said:

I can't speak for the PD side of the calls, but I do know that as EMS when this OP was going on, we had... 5 ambulances on standby and we made it very clear to everyone else clocked in to not accept calls. If they saw us accept a call then they were to ignore it.

Not referring to the raid but gunfights in general.  

[ZaxxYs]

2 hours ago, Richie Jax said:

I’m I the only one who won’t re armor at all unless the scene is clear or secure? Don’t get me wrong I keep multiples on me and in my vehicle just so I don’t have to go back to MRPD every gunfight but I will never re armor mid gunfight it just seems awkward to me. Maybe it’s why I get downed so often. 

If this is the case brother then I believe that yes, you are the only one hahaha.

[BlackMagic0]

3 hours ago, Richie Jax said:

I’m I the only one who won’t re armor at all unless the scene is clear or secure? Don’t get me wrong I keep multiples on me and in my vehicle just so I don’t have to go back to MRPD every gunfight but I will never re armor mid gunfight it just seems awkward to me. Maybe it’s why I get downed so often. 

I would believe you are one of a very few select people that don't re-armor during scenes.   I've personally seen it on both sides PD and Crim.  Hahaha.

[Beans]

I play on both PD and Crim. I carry 4+ Armour on both characters most of the time due the shit I get into. From my experience, the teamwork element of needing assistance to cover you while you have to armor is very fun. Without this element, its just consistent shooting with lack of strategy. 

I heavily agree that putting on armor while driving is something that needs to be adjusted. I have used this ability simply because I'm up against it as well. I would prefer it not be possible to do so.

[Yama]

I keep about 5 armor in my vehicles and only carry one spare on my person, if any. I'm rarely in gunfights so I don't find myself needing armor often and couldn't offer any experience on how being able to replace a spent vest in combat would affect an extended firefight. However, in my mind, I like the strategy of falling back when I've taken too many hits and taking cover at my car to put on a new vest.

With that said, I do feel like it's realistic to be able to replace your armor plates on the go, but in the sprit of a level playing field, I can see how that could make things tougher to balance.

[ZaxxYs]

37 minutes ago, Yama said:

I keep about 5 armor in my vehicles and only carry one spare on my person, if any. I'm rarely in gunfights so I don't find myself needing armor often and couldn't offer any experience on how being able to replace a spent vest in combat would affect an extended firefight. However, in my mind, I like the strategy of falling back when I've taken too many hits and taking cover at my car to put on a new vest.

With that said, I do feel like it's realistic to be able to replace your armor plates on the go, but in the sprit of a level playing field, I can see how that could make things tougher to balance.

Its not realistic AT ALL, if you got hit enough to go through 4 different body armors you would have 7 broken bones and 3 broken ribs.

[Yama]

Very true, I was more touching on the ability to change your vest on the go, just that it shouldn't take that much effort to change into a new one fairly quickly. As much as I would like to see people role play out their injuries, it's a precious rarity. Are you suggesting that injuries should be more debilitating for the player?

[ZaxxYs]

5 hours ago, Yama said:

Very true, I was more touching on the ability to change your vest on the go, just that it shouldn't take that much effort to change into a new one fairly quickly. As much as I would like to see people role play out their injuries, it's a precious rarity. Are you suggesting that injuries should be more debilitating for the player?

No, people are not going to RP all of their injuries or change their playstyle depending on how many time they get shot. Im suggesting that we have a MAX amount of plates that people can put on while in the same firefight. I have seen multiple times people rearmoring 3-5 times in the same shootout. At that point it becomes a matter of who is got more armor and more bullets.

[Amybos]

On 8/11/2021 at 7:40 AM, Richie Jax said:

I’m I the only one who won’t re armor at all unless the scene is clear or secure? Don’t get me wrong I keep multiples on me and in my vehicle just so I don’t have to go back to MRPD every gunfight but I will never re armor mid gunfight it just seems awkward to me. Maybe it’s why I get downed so often. 

I'm down just as much Richie. but I agree, Having a perspective on both the crim and the pd side, doesn't matter what side I am on, I will only ever use 1 extra armour if I have the opportunity, and that is even a reach as I rarely get a chance if I am in a gunfight.

IMO 1-2 is fine in a general gunfight if you have the opportunity and able to get the cover from other people, but anymore than that and then it gets a bit ridiculous and could be seen as having a must win mentality.

However, with things like raids, you would expect that both sides would be prepared for a drawn out gun fight so having extra in your car or something would be expected.