Introduction of "Local EMS"

[GK47_]

Before I get "-1"'s from people who think it'll ruin RP... hear me out because I agree.

For someone who's from the UK, and get's on the server quite early. It's frustrating if you happen to go down because you either have to wait the hour and hope an EMS happens to log on during that time or simply respawn; which you risk losing cash on your person, items, and the weight limit your person can hold. You could argue well that's the dangers of getting into situations or driving recklessly, but the point here is that there's hardly any EMS, if any, on during EU times, for hours.

Same way we use the M Menu when we're conscious to access wallet, vehicle etc, is the same way we can access the M Menu when we're downed, however, your two options are "Call for EMS" or "Use Local EMS" (similar to NoPixel). Someone might argue "No, because people will use local EMS all the time" but we can make "Use Local EMS" an option after 10 minutes of being downed, only when no EMS are on the server. I give 10 minutes as a rough number simply so no one uses it during an active scene to get out of a situation. Once used it would take you to the closest hospital, where you'll be on a bed getting healed by nurse nancy. 

Rules can also be applied to make sure everyone knows the right way to use it and any other way can lead to potential warnings/bans from mods and admins. 

By no means am I stating this as a final idea but I do think something needs to be implemented for us early EU people, feel free to add more ideas or counter ideas below, but IMO we do need a form of local EMS.

This is a version of it on NoPixel: link - however their one is different to how I've proposed it.

Edited November 14, 2021 by GK47_

[Beans]

+1 EU times need all the support it can get. 

As long as its only accessible when there are no EMS clocked in I believe it would be a great addition to help support the EU squad of BL

[digimelo]

+1 

[Randy Jones]

+1 Only if EMS are not clocked in 

[Yama]

Having this implemented is something that would be nice for the city for sure, less punishing for citizens when EMS is unavailable. If it's only available when EMS are not clocked in, it's likely going to be meta-gamed, knowing there is no EMS, but I guess the message you see when there's "No EMS available for dispatch" (or whatever the wording is) that shows when you are down also kind of gives that away...

Edited November 15, 2021 by Yama

[Desolaris]

+1

[Denver]

As a EU cop, I 10000% agree with this. I like being a cop, but its also so much more scary around these times. 

[Manike]

As an EU player, I have fallen victim to this plenty of times and would love to have this.

[James]

+1 As long as the timer before you can use local EMS is long enough so there enough time for a scenario to play out and cant be abused. As someone whose waited the complete 60 minutes before this would be a welcome addition.

[GK47_]

+ To add also: the ability to request EMS as soon as you go down is a bit frustrating during an active scene. Even though EMS shouldn't be requested instantly if someone is robbing you, some people still do it unfortunately

[MJ.]

There are more EMS during EU times then there have ever been. Local EMS isn't needed. -1. 

[MJ.]

Also to solve this problem, apply for EMS if you are during EU. Just saying. 

[George Doors]

+1 If the system can be monitored and not abused. Like people have said, this should only be available when there is no ems on duty, maybe with a time scale of 30 minutes. Also if the person is handcuffed then they automatically get shackled to the bed when they arrive at the hospital(just to find people abusing the system and punish them). Additionally a 2 hour cooldown on using it after the first down, just to stop people thinking they invincible and mess around with it.

[Ren Yates]

How about value your life instead of getting yourself involved in things that will cause you to go down or bleed out. When I am on Civ instead of PD, I vary rarely go down or need medical. In the off chance I do, I accept the consequences of my actions if EMS is not available. 

[Denver]

8 minutes ago, Ren Yates said:

How about value your life instead of getting yourself involved in things that will cause you to go down or bleed out. When I am on Civ instead of PD, I vary rarely go down or need medical. In the off chance I do, I accept the consequences of my actions if EMS is not available. 

It's not always "your actions" and if you have to respawn every time you get downed by someone or something else, because you play around times that there is no EMS, I wouldn't want to put effort into anything anymore. 

 

It's really frustrating. 

[Ren Yates]

I can understand that it can be frustrating however, the Someone aspect would be if you valued your life or not during a situation, If not, then a player report is needed. 
If something took you out, then there is ways to prevent this as well. If you dont wait the full 60 mins then that is your call for also not waiting for the timer. Most of the time, if I come across someone down on the side of the road or else where, I will always get them help just in case EMS has not responded or are backed up. 

From what I have seen, about 90% of EMS calls can be prevented by being careful, cautious and valuing your life. This has not just been an issue since 2.0 days but also 1.0 days. Imagine what it was like then when we only had 32 slot servers? EMS during some nights were a ghost town then. Even then we didnt have Local EMS. 

To me, I see people wanting more realism and I dont think Local EMS is gonna provide that at all. Maybe if there were HEAVY conditions that need to be met before being able to call them, but you do have a respawn. There will always have to be a checks and balance of things before it can even be brought to the table. 

[MJ.]

All in all, EMS is trying to come up with ways that will help with satiability throughout all hours of the day. This... would not help. This... would actually make me not want to clock in at all. It would make EMS even more heal bots then we already are.

What is the point of EMS if we have local EMS? 

We want to be valued as EMS. We want people to be thankful that EMS is around. As it is already, we have people constantly carrying people into Pillbox even when there is EMS on duty. Or constantly walking right by us at Pillbox to check themselves in. EMS doesnt get respected by a lot of community members as a whole anyways. This would make that worse. "Oh I wish yall werent clocked in so local EMS can pick me up." There is absolutely no RP value in local EMS and actual EMS would deteriorate. 

Stop thinking about yourself, and think about EMS personnel and how they would feel if people would rather get picked up by local ems. Value your life. Value EMS. and please please please apply if you feel like there is a shortage of EMS during EU hours. ONLY YOU CAN FIX IT. 

 

#EMSWantsRPToo

Edited November 18, 2021 by MJ High

[Amybos]

I can see both sides of this.... Yes, there isn't that many EMS around and it can be frustrating when you go down and none are around. However, I agree that at all times we need to value our lives. Not just when EMS are not around.

Being Aussie, I'm around the late late night times of EST, so I get it. And as a cop or a crim, you need to value your life. You think about it before doing something.
But if I go down, then it is what it is.

Example, when I am on my cop and I am solo, I have a robbery with 2+ or something and I know they are gonna be violent, I'm not going to put my life at risk by engaging with them if i know I am vastly outnumbered.. That would be me not valuing my life. I would keep distance, gather information and if i can identify them, then they will get a warrant. A warrant will always catch up.

Even on the crim side, I don't do things that will put my life in danger.

It's about playing it smart.    

 

[Johnny Knuckles]

5 hours ago, Amybos said:

as a cop or a crim, you need to value your life. You think about it before doing something.

Well with this here I would like to say filling your car at the gas station then blowing up because locals make wide turns and drive into the pumps.. when shit like this happens and nobody is around doing the job they signed up for to help you out I would like to see something like this be a thing.. make it a money dump for using this feature.

[Ren Yates]

And while this only happens at a very few gas stations, this could be an issue. However there is only 2 stations that I know have this issue. While one is in paleto most of the time there is people around there. And the last one is in sand which doesn't happen all that often anymore. Maybe some barriers could be put in place to prevent this instead of adding something like Local EMS. People can already pick you up and take you to a hospital too.

[Lildoc3]

Honestly i can back this only on the experience of Ems being around and i still had to respawn because they never responded. Also those times where a glitch downs me and I can’t do anything about it with no ems and i get told well you know the risk, when I literally went down due to some weird broken moment. 

[GK47_]

Confused how people are gathering I’m trying to ruin EMS RP. 

I think reading everything I wrote and understanding it before typing would clear confusion. Local EMS should NOT be an option or a thing when any EMS are clocked on. If 1 EMS is on duty then Local EMS should never be a thing. So this takes away nothing from EMS RP. I do understand MJ too, it’s the comments that civs will make that’ll annoy her, fair enough, I think there needs to be rules set in place where civs don’t know what a “local ems” is. It would be considered like bleeding out. So if you do end up in a hospital bed and you try to tell the story, it would be something like “Not sure what happened, woke up in a hospital bed bruised up”. A civ stating to an EMS “Was hoping local EMS was an option” is simply just poor RP from a donut that even says that and borderline OOC, in my opinion, not a fault of Local EMS.

We all play characters and we all play different characters than eachother so sometimes it may be hard to see eachothers point. I think solving a issue by saying “Value your life more” isn’t a way to solve it. Things happen in city sometimes that are out of your control, we’ve all been there and will be there in the future. We’re comparing life on the server to back in the day 2018/2019 days, things evolve and one of those things is the server, drastically too. 

As for applying for EMS myself to help EU times, not really something that’s possible for me to personally to do, I have my main focus on two characters ones a crim who runs a gang and the other is a new cop character. I’m one who wants less automatic things in the server and more manual, but it’s impossible, in my opinion, to make everything manual.

The main problem with this isn’t EMS and it isn’t crims/civs not being “smart”. The EU/AU community just isn’t big. More than half the week, when I first log on the server at around 10am to noon, there could be anywhere from 10 people on to 15.

Wasn’t trying to offend anyone with this post, or take away from their RP. I think I was pretty respectful with the way I worded everything and I simply gave suggestions, not solutions. As stated in the initial thread I wrote, this isn’t me proposing anything as a “final idea.” 

Edited November 24, 2021 by GK47_

[Norton]

On 11/14/2021 at 2:06 PM, Randy Jones said:

+1 Only if EMS are not clocked in 

+1 Only if this is the only stipulation of implementing the feature. Only time you should be able to use is imo is 10-20 minutes after you go down AND EMS are not on duty. I've had situations where I randomly go down as well and can get behind this. I do not think this should be a thing whilst EMS is on duty what so ever though. 

[Mia]

This is an idea dev is exploring. I agree with GK that we cannot expect ems coverage to be great during the EU/AU hours when population is quite low. It also doesn't help grow the early morning pop numbers when players have less favorable conditions to play in than their NA counterparts.

[dK_]

+1 aslong as its when no EMS is clocked in and theres some sort of price behind it. If theres no EMS clocked in, i dont see how this affect EMS RP at all.