On-Demand Panic Buttons

[Storrent]

At present, panic buttons are soley activated by calling for a medic whilst downed. While it's a great addition and helps call attention to officers/medics down, I believe they should be able to be activated whenever a "Signal Thirteen" would be called to alert all officers on-duty that an officer/medic needs help. At least from the law enforcement side of things, officers not listening to their radio or transmitting non-important information or chatter is all too common, and being able to go above the radio and transmit a help signal to all units directly would be a big help.

[MJ.]

+1

[Sherlock Holmes]

+1

[Denver]

+100 I already suggested this to a senior staff member from PD. I def think it should at least play the radio animation tho so that criminals are aware and officers can't just do it with their hands up or when ziptied. 

[Grey Blueray]

+1

[Norton]

+1 However to balance I think it should be some type of physical item you have to use so it can be combatted by crims. I like the idea though. 

[Randy Jones]

+1 

[tay]

yes 

[pebeast]

13 hours ago, Storrent said:

officers not listening to their radio or transmitting non-important information or chatter is all too common

I feel if that is the case there is something wrong with how the cops are going about the radio not that they need another way to put all hands on deck. just saying if i need to let ppl know someting over the radio theres ways to say it were your fellow crims/cops should know!

[Harold Gray]

That’s all we need is another way for the cops to call every cop in the city to come to a location when they are losing. The us crims do t have anything like that to use other than radio and if we have 5 we can’t have more but the cops want more ways to get more cops to somewhere to feed that must win mentality 

[Ascendancism]

I do believe it's realistic for LEOs to have PD panics. However currently as mentioned above there's nothing that the criminals have to balance that. The live GPS service no longer works and currently criminals don't have a decent way to track each other NEARLY as effectively as LEOs. Bringing the live service back or providing criminals (especially established groups) a more effective alternative would be fantastic. It's arguable that established organizations and gangs could easily buy trackers or utilize free apps to keep their members more organized.

[UnknownRNGS]

21 minutes ago, Someguy said:

That’s all we need is another way for the cops to call every cop in the city to come to a location when they are losing. The us crims do t have anything like that to use other than radio and if we have 5 we can’t have more but the cops want more ways to get more cops to somewhere to feed that must win mentality 

Cops should not be swarming calls and the PD is actively working to fix the ongoing issue. Saying all cops have a "must win mentality" is wrong and shortsighted.

[Harold Gray]

3 minutes ago, UnknownRNGS said:

Cops should not be swarming calls and the PD is actively working to fix the ongoing issue. Saying all cops have a "must win mentality" is wrong and shortsighted.

I’m not saying every cop has that but most do and there are a lot that show it in the server by the actions the chose in different scenarios and I know I am not the only one to see it. 

[SeaDog]

14 hours ago, Storrent said:

At present, panic buttons are soley activated by calling for a medic whilst downed. While it's a great addition and helps call attention to officers/medics down, I believe they should be able to be activated whenever a "Signal Thirteen" would be called to alert all officers on-duty that an officer/medic needs help. At least from the law enforcement side of things, officers not listening to their radio or transmitting non-important information or chatter is all too common, and being able to go above the radio and transmit a help signal to all units directly would be a big help.

The way I see it is that if your are on duty and you need back up, if other officers are not listening too the radio or you cant even get the SOS message across because of non related chatter on radio that is 100% their fault so no I don't think police officers should have a 3rd line of defense once their downed or in a bad situation. On a side note Crim's are already at a disadvantage because soon as there's a officer down signal within +/- 30seconds they are swarmed by 3-8 cops and when crims get downed or hurt we cant just call in more people to replace us we have to start and finish the fight with the same 5 we started with.

[Paul Garcia]

+1 on this for the most part, it could be very unfair towards criminals if cops were able to have a panic button without it being able to be countered by crims. Lets say that if you're in zip-ties, got your hands up or if they took your radio your panic button dissapears. If crims don't take your radio and don't pay attention.. well that's on them.

[Randy Jones]

I feel like maybe have some sort of brief animation when a cop presses it, maybe a little audible sound that people around you can hear. Maybe make an item such as an item disablement kit disable the panic buttons. Of course cops shouldn't be able to press it while in zip ties. 

[Belle Barnes]

2 hours ago, Someguy said:

I’m not saying every cop has that but most do and there are a lot that show it in the server by the actions the chose in different scenarios and I know I am not the only one to see it. 

"Most do" - Most actually don't. I'd say more than half of us want to facilitate RP and have a good time whether we win or not. Hell, I 'trip' when chasing people sometimes when I know if I didn't trip I could have easily detained them, and they get away. You are judging ~50 people based on the actions of a few when many of us aren't here to 'win' as you put it. If you go into everything from such a negative place, it becomes very hard to accurately judge others' actions and intentions, especially if you are already assigning them a mentality because of what faction they are in. I hope you can look for RP situations in the future with PD/SO instead of allowing that negative expectation dictate your fun and potentially positive interactions with them.

[Denver]

Like I said. Have it play an animation, a sound and it could be a police sop that it can only be used when you feel that using the radio is too risky and when you're certain you will be in trouble. 

Same goes for the NVL rule, dont press it if you got a gun to your head. 

 

As for the 3-8 cops swarming you. We also have a max of 5 officers on scene rule. 

[Belle Barnes]

5 minutes ago, Lion_Luke said:

As for the 3-8 cops swarming you. We also have a max of 5 officers on scene rule. 

I am pretty sure we do not have this rule. Not trying to argue, just want people to have accurate info.  

[Samantha Hatfield]

Rule of thumb for officers on scene is to match the threat level, more officers go down them more come. But it is up to us to say, "Wait, we need to get those people out" instead of throwing more officers towards the suspects. In regards to radio communication; radio communication that isn't necessary is being worked on within both departments. You the officer have plenty of time to get your message across with the new codes and signals that Senior Staff of each department brought in. 

But it really depends on the day, if it's a slow day then it's alright to have longer communication on the radio instead of "411 Traffic NB Elgin, White Two Door Sport, No additonals"".
I see us PD having plenty of able time to get reinforcements and etc, my main issue I saw DAILY is the fact that people worry more about the catching the crime then there officers own lives, that's why these situations get blown out.

People want action.

Personally, let criminals be criminals; throwing in a extra button and ect just to get spooked and press it then have like 4 officers come in the area seems like a RP killer. We have the resources to communicate what needs to be done effectively without another need for people to come and help us.

It's called using it the radio, and your surroundings.

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Edited August 14, 2021 by Amberlyn Noelle-Amos

[dK_]

This has been discussed within senior PD, our main concern is with balance. This could be something that could be easily overused and essentially stop RP from taking place. Its a good idea in theory though if it can be balanced correctly. 

[ShesElectrick]

I'd prefer not to have the panic button. I like the idea of having to try and be resourceful. Last time I got kidnapped, none of them were in the backseat with me and no one was looking back at me, so I pressed my radio button and just spoke normally to them, so that officers could hear a snippet but not give myself away to the kidnappers. They never noticed and the other officers were able to locate me.

[Spartan]

9 hours ago, ShesElectrick said:

I'd prefer not to have the panic button. I like the idea of having to try and be resourceful. Last time I got kidnapped, none of them were in the backseat with me and no one was looking back at me, so I pressed my radio button and just spoke normally to them, so that officers could hear a snippet but not give myself away to the kidnappers. They never noticed and the other officers were able to locate me.

I agree with this. I think id be ok(ish) if there was an animation involved but even then I am not a fan. Considering how people already respond to a cop down call, having on demand panic buttons that can be used more frequently, I think would become overwhelming for criminals and continue the decline of crime that is occurring. 

[Denver]

If criminals are smart about it and take/disable the panic button before hand or threaten the cop with "if you press it we kill you" it would only affect inexperienced criminals, giving criminals another skill to work on and improve and offer more RP. 

 

[Randy Jones]

2 hours ago, Spartan said:

I agree with this. I think id be ok(ish) if there was an animation involved but even then I am not a fan. Considering how people already respond to a cop down call, having on demand panic buttons that can be used more frequently, I think would become overwhelming for criminals and continue the decline of crime that is occurring. 

Here is the thing that I've realized after a very long time of playing crim in this city and others. PD is an overwhelming force, criminals can't just expect to shot a cop down, or a take a cop hostage and not expect the PD to do something about it. If were talking about crime on decline lets address the real problems. Without going into PD SOP's or anything like that I'm sure everyone has noticed the million PD interceptors driving around. Everyone getting to use one in itself was such a bad idea and makes trying to escape by vehicle that much harder. Also the heavy pistol is a million times better than any handgun crims get. The people that argue the deagle is as good as the heavy pistol have never played a crim character before and have only played cop and used their heavy pistol. If we want crime to happen more besides the select few groups that still do it, how about make the average crim car on par with the PD interceptor every cop and their mom uses. While were at it maybe add an illegal pistol that is on par with the PD heavy pistol. Just a thought.