If everyones bad at RP, No ones bad at RP

[Dont Eat The Iris]

Ill start this off by saying this. 

Veronica Black is a character. I am not actually Veronica Black as a person. She might not be your favorite character or even a very likeable one at that, that being said, I never intend to hurt peoples feeling or to upset anyone. If i have or do I'll gladly have a conversation about it so long as things remain respectful and the purpose is to be a connected community. 

With that in mind, we gotta stop shit talking eachothers RP man. I feel like there is some hostility between cliques that really leads back to our inability to trust others RP. It seems like everyone is looking for a way others are exploiting, fail rping, harrassing, ect. And it just falls back to this place where no one RPs outside of their groups. Im guilty of it too, seeing something not go my way and immediately assuming its because the other party is exploiting or metagaming or powergaming... whatever it is. 

But the thing is if we can stop knocking eachothers RP and instead appreciate the variety we all bring to the table itll be alot healthier gaming environment and community. 

Stop immediately condecending, fighting, or belittling others RP or RP ideas. In the forums, discord, or in game. ( This includes your opinions on stuff like the mayor stuff, or how someone ruins RP by not going along.) Your opinion is no one elses business and youre contributing to the toxicity.  Stop.

Stop talking shit about other members or players OOC. About their level of rp, their ability to RP, their character choices, their voice, face, what ever. Just stop. Most of us are grown ass adults adults and its ridiculous. (This excludes your in character choices tho. Not everyone needs to play a likeable character and some hostility creates a dynamic environment.) Be good people, not necessarily good characters.

Stop being a bunch of fucking crybabies. Stop crying during meetings. Stop whining to admins over petty bullshit. Stop being mad cuz others dont rp your way. Its not sims, you cant control other players. Its a risk you take when you include others in your rp. They might do some shadey shit and thats ok. The admins are people. People who get real fuckin tired of our bullshit. They dont wanna be up till who knows when listening to us whining about how so and so is a big meanie. 

Do Communicate. After hostile RP hit that person up saying "Hey great RP! Youre awesome." Or whatever. Reassure eachother that hostile RP isnt a hostile community. We are all people and games are frustrating but being positive and kind to eachother makes a healthy community.

Do assume positive intent. If you look for negative you will find it. Assuming someone is well meaning and just trying to have fun, like you are, is going to find you that. (No im not talking about default danny number 6042856 who just rdm'ed you and called you a puss bag. Obvi report him) 

Honestly we have some amazing RPers with extraordinary creative talent but the ooc hostility we bring is crushing eachothers ability to flourish. Lets appreciate eachother. The people who stand around at legion, make sure theres always someone to talk to. The ones who never have any beef keep it peaceful. The ones who got a big fuckin mouth and start shit... we keep it interesting. 

Lets just be good to eachother yeah?

Even if you dont see hostility you can at least agree with that message, right?

[trycomb]

haven't experienced any of this personally but i see it in OCC at least once every restart.

 

[TiLLeR]

Thank you for writing this.  The pettiness and between clicks of players has gotten beyond control.  We are all here to play a game... let's remember that. 

[fwalandra]

Absolutely this. The character you see on the street in Los Santos is not representative of the person behind that character, there's a vital difference between muse and mun. (Muse being the character being played and mun being the person playing that character.) When I first joined Badlands, I went a week without experiencing any type of negativity and I truly enjoyed my time here. But as time went on, more and more ooc hostility began to arise. People were upset over the littlest of things; a name, a hair style, a car color, the way you talk, and so much more. It's perfectly fine to have that CHARACTER be hostile about something that stupid, because people do it in real life, but to carry that over into out of character harassment has got to stop.

I wouldn't say I'm a popular member of the community, but I have quite a few people that I interact with on a regular basis and speak to both in game and out of game. The fact that I've had MULTIPLE people come to me to vent about out of character hostility affecting in character gameplay is truly disappointing. If someone doesn't agree to killing your character off, you don't need to message them on discord and tell them that they're 'fail rping' because they didn't agree to what you wanted. If a scene doesn't turn out the way you were hoping (God forbid you didn't get 3k from that robbery), not only is it cruel to have that hostility carry over in out of character interactions, but it's just plain childish.

Us here on Badlands need to realize that we are all our own individuals, and we are all portraying someone fictional. The blurred lines that are coming through have to end. There is far too much hostility and pettiness going on, even with people I'm extremely close to. We all just want to have a good time and play a fun game, and if we can come together as a community and realize that there is a difference between who we represent in game and who we are in real life, then we can really make Badlands the community it has the potential to become.

[Kota]

So much this. Seriously the clique drama (granted I am known for one major clique myself.) And I have been guilty of only RPing with that clique but recently have been expanding out to try to include more into my RP. And I can tell you first hand I am so glad I have done that... The RP from just allowing yourself to step out of the comfort zone is great. Try it. Let's all just have less hostility and get out there and create them stories rather than that drama. 

[luna]

Could not agree with what everyone above has said any more ^^

Greatly put, Veronica!

[fwalandra]

That being said, as I mentioned on discord, what truly has to stop is the confrontation and hostility towards players in private messages. I've had a few initiate in roleplay scenarios as a group that didn't end the way some of them were hoping, and then the person engaged with them would message them about 'fail rp' and continue to berate them. If you're guilty of this, as I do know the people involved in the hostile messaging, I do ask that you stop and just move on. Being cruel to people out of character doesn't benefit anyone.

[r3v0Lt55]

5 hours ago, fwalandra said:

That being said, as I mentioned on discord, what truly has to stop is the confrontation and hostility towards players in private messages.

That being said. When this has happened to me by people who are engaging in this thread for me personally it devalues the whole thread.

[Dont Eat The Iris]

7 hours ago, r3v0Lt55 said:

That being said. When this has happened to me by people who are engaging in this thread for me personally it devalues the whole thread.

Well thats kinda the point, ya know? We are all guilty and I in no way am excluded from my own criticism. We all gotta work together to be good to each other.  And maybe if thats how you feel maybe reach out to the person to discuss it. 

[LouieCanicatti]

Clique drama? Sounds like middle school to me... Am I the only Badlander who's played for the better part of 3 months and hasn't recognized it as an issue? I'm in complete agreement across the board though and personally try to maintain a level of respectable RP with everyone I meet in my travels.

 

[Bob Johnson]

6 minutes ago, LouieCanicatti said:

Clique drama? Sounds like middle school to me... Am I the only Badlander who's played for the better part of 3 months and hasn't recognized it as an issue? I'm in complete agreement across the board though and personally try to maintain a level of respectable RP with everyone I meet in my travels.

 

If you've been playing for 3 months and haven't noticed there are cliques, then yes you might be the only one. The biggest issue I have with cliques (and have since shortly after I joined) is that they seem to only be interested in RP within the clique...no interest in RP to engage the whole community. And quite frankly, what some of them consider RP...well I just won't say any more.

[Missladee]

I agree with much that has been said here. I think when it comes down to it, it is up to some of us to set an example if not all of us. I am a lover of RP and I welcome it. I think more people should be more opened minded about it and stop taking it too seriously OOCly. It is mentioned time and time again, when it comes down to it- It is still a game. I am sure we all want to enjoy it and make the most of the time we have in Badlands. Do we really need to tear each-other down just because we don't agree on something or because of the lack of someones RP? 

I do my best in treating everyone with respect at first meet, it is not very hard, you know? :3

I definitely believe more community Role-Play opportunities need to be encouraged, don't limit your Role-Play just to your friends, help others have their stories be told.  

[Kota]

2 hours ago, LouieCanicatti said:

Clique drama? Sounds like middle school to me... Am I the only Badlander who's played for the better part of 3 months and hasn't recognized it as an issue? 

 

 

There has always been cliques and clique drama since I have joined the server last July. The underlining issue always has been those cliques join and just want to play and RP with each other unfortunately sometimes at the expense of other groups of peoples roleplay or whatever.... And I get it I do it makes sense as you come to trust the quality of RP from certain people you group up and want to play with them more... Nothing is wrong with having a group you prefer to RP with just make sure you're not so stuck up that you can't allow others into your RP... Some of the best experiences I have had on the server is branching out and trying to include more into RP or doing events. Maybe if we all stop having expectations of what we need from others to enjoy our RP and look to what we can do to help others have a better experience with your RP I think we would be better off. Basically, since I am ranting a bit. I am saying let's try to be selfless and attempt to make others experiences better and more enjoyable rather than worry so much about our own. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by KotaJon91

[TiLLeR]

The biggest problem isn't the cliques... it would be nice is the RP was server wide but that's a larger ask and really won't solve this problem.  This problem only gets sovled when people stop making it their sole purpose to:

1.  Ruin peoples fun

2.  Go out of their way to find something wrong and run to the admins to get their rivals in trouble.

Rule #1 - Don't be a dick

Rule #2 - Just have fun and do your thing. 

 

TLTR:  Respect

[speed]

5 hours ago, LouieCanicatti said:

Am I the only Badlander who's played for the better part of 3 months and hasn't recognized it as an issue?

The cliques being discussed are a small fraction of the community, but as always it's usually the minorities that speak the loudest.

I do appreciate this thread @Veronica Black, and I appreciate those that have acknowledged their own roles in the clique drama. At the end of the day, as Tiller has been saying, we are a community and we're here to have fun together. Remember that even if you don't particularly like someone, there would be no Badlands if it wasn't for all of our regular players. If your goal is to harass, get banned, or otherwise drive people away from the community, you are a greater danger to the community than any amount "failrp" they could ever do. As always, if you believe someone is acting in a way that does not fit the values of the community, bring it to our (the staff) attention and let us handle it. Never take things into your own hands.

[LouieCanicatti]

And now I'm on this thread confused because I don't associate with cliques or their drama. Me saying I haven't seen cliques was a lie; but I simply give these cliques and RP-filled "Hello" and carry on with my day. 

[Str84it]

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