Anton Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 As a medic i see a lot of gun violence in the city, not 10 minutes ago a person was shot because he pushed another persons car and not a single officer was on scene. I'm struggling to understand how the law works in the city. How is running a red light a bigger offense than shooting someone with the intent to kill? In my opinion the city should strike down on guns HARD! I understand this is the United States of America and everyone has the right to defend themselves bla bla bla ... but how about having like a blacklist for extremely violent people, who's access to guns could be denied by LSPD for a certain period of time if they don't use them responsibly? People get away with murder WAY TOO EASY around here. At the same time there should be a generic criminal job, which would be needed to do crime! You want to rob or kidnap people, do weed, meth? You need to be a criminal! It could be limited, like once you become a criminal, you can't cancel that job for some time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Oh god this sounds too much like a real-life gun control argument! On a serious note, we'll likely add some sort of limitation in the near future. I agree that access to weapons is far too easy at this point. Someone shouldn't be able to join the city and almost immediately purchase a firearm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas GarcÃa Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think the 'gun control' should be also for offenders... I'm less concerned about a fresh in the city getting a gun that someone that is doing crime after crime, getting one as soon as they get out of prison. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyAzWhat Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 As a gun owner I am triggered. 11 hours ago, Muroko said: How is running a red light a bigger offense than shooting someone with the intent to kill? It is not and whoever told you this should be forced to eat McDonald's for every meal for a week. When Police are available I feel the repercussions for gun violence are fair and balanced for the most part. A problem is that the LSPD is still growing and training and as a result don't have the staff available at all times to deter crime and investigate criminal activity. We could definitely make some adjustments for times when police are not available but a lot of the weight falls on the LSPD to grow at a steady rate and provide the presence to handle these situations of violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flori Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 2 hours ago, SneakyAzShiite said: When Police are available I feel the repercussions for gun violence are fair and balanced for the most part. A lot of people pull guns for literally ANYTHING and shoot for less than that...  and by the time the police is there of course they are gone, or their gun is now holstered or its just an endless blablabla he was kicking my car bla. If i had to call the police every time i see this, believe me you would need 20 active cops at all times... imo there should be licences for buying guns, and they should be quite expensive... all the trigger happies in the city should be taken their guns and licences away when caught doing this silly stuff. If they would have to go buy them again every time, they might think twice before pulling them for such small "offenses". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XZiggsX Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think licences won't do much good for the experience of new players. Guns should be in town, however, I do agree that there is too much gun violence in town. The blacklist idea (of putting people on a list so they can't buy guns) could be good (though it shouldn't apply for illegal firearms), though I don't think it is a function we are going to see anytime soon. The only thing I think we can really do is wait until cops get the.... gun remains thing (that shows you who shot a gun in the area) and or the blacklist. Its rough but unless the community changes its a matter of waiting for mechanics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merr Khan Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Well officers are pretty limited by manpower and to what they see. W/out a GSR test its very hard to tell who out of the 8-20 people fired the gun. Unless they flat out say they did it. As a gun owner i believe gun control means using both hands. but that's just me. However there would need to be some sort of criminal record system implemented to were you cant get a gun for x-time after you get arrested for gun crime, or sent to prison. Maybe in the future we can get licenses for driving and guns, that can be suspended. So to make the crime more effective for repeat offenders.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas GarcÃa Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 People love guns... they also love fast cars... taking them off the city is not the real solution, since many won't be around if those aren't around. I still think the issue is how things are been handle, punishments for using them are a bit of a joke. I can't talk exactly about the ticketing police has, but I think the issue is there. Many people have already figured it out or found about it somehow. Things are, that most don't care about hiding the crimes because they simply can take the highest punishment without breaking a sweat. That's also a reason why people turn a small traffic ticket into a shootout with dead cops, because the charges and punishment are not a big gap. I don't think more jail time is the solution. For me, RL and RP... what people always care is money. If you force people to take the tickets and price them accordingly to the charges, they will think it twice. I think making people care about not been so blunt and at least try to hide when they do illegal things, it's a big thing missing at the moment. Hope it gets addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyAzWhat Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Flori said: A lot of people pull guns for literally ANYTHING and shoot for less than that...  and by the time the police is there of course they are gone, or their gun is now holstered or its just an endless blablabla he was kicking my car bla. If i had to call the police every time i see this, believe me you would need 20 active cops at all times... imo there should be licences for buying guns, and they should be quite expensive... all the trigger happies in the city should be taken their guns and licences away when caught doing this silly stuff. If they would have to go buy them again every time, they might think twice before pulling them for such small "offenses". I'm not against an actual gun license that you have to purchase and could be seized if you were caught using a gun improperly. It does create a gap to prevent new players from buying a gun after collecting a few paychecks. There are a few other adjustments on the smaller scale that can be altered to help address the problem. Ultimately it comes down to the players and the game. If only GTA mechanics didn't allow a super fast draw I think people would be more hesitant about turning every standoff into a wild west shootout. GTA is an arcade game and from single player to online people are just used to playing aggressively in that arcade fashion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyAzWhat Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 hours ago, XZiggsX said: The blacklist idea (of putting people on a list so they can't buy guns) could be good (though it shouldn't apply for illegal firearms), though I don't think it is a function we are going to see anytime soon I'm completely against imposing any kind of blacklist for purchasing weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, SneakyAzShiite said: I'm completely against imposing any kind of blacklist for purchasing weapons. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zee Bruh Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 what if you add a feature, that if someone shoots they actaully get a 1 star wanted lvl like in the real gta and ai cops come at them, because at the time now there is not much ammo someone can buy to get all these "AI" cops off them. so that would detain someone at the scene of the crime for being pindowned as "backup" the officer coming to the crime, and then that would remove the wanted off off that player when a real cop is there, therefore removing the ai from the player they are trying to capture so that player doesnt get away, or yet kill the real officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Bobjimjoe Jackson said: what if you add a feature, that if someone shoots they actaully get a 1 star wanted lvl like in the real gta and ai cops come at them, because at the time now there is not much ammo someone can buy to get all these "AI" cops off them. so that would detain someone at the scene of the crime for being pindowned as "backup" the officer coming to the crime, and then that would remove the wanted off off that player when a real cop is there, therefore removing the ai from the player they are trying to capture so that player doesnt get away, or yet kill the real officer.  I feel like this would make the gun control just worse. Ammo isn't really a problem for most of us and this would just encourage them to buy more ammo and it means more gunshots because you now need to kill the AI cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merr Khan Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 All we need is a GSR (gun shot residue) test, and stricter punishment for gun crimes. For example, if i rob a store with a knife i get 5-10 yrs. if i rob the same store with a gun it mandatory 20yrs for the gun crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyAzWhat Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 10 hours ago, Richard Power said: All we need is a GSR (gun shot residue) test, and stricter punishment for gun crimes. For example, if i rob a store with a knife i get 5-10 yrs. if i rob the same store with a gun it mandatory 20yrs for the gun crime. This doesnt solve the problem when cops arent around. The objective is to reduce violence and the tendency of players to be so aggressive over small matters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyAzWhat Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 @Bobjimjoe Jackson i actually thought about this but my concern is it woukd just create more violence. When a player commits a gun crime and police are responding to rp we dont want ai jumping in the mix and trying to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee Bruh Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 3 hours ago, SneakyAzShiite said: @Bobjimjoe Jackson i actually thought about this but my concern is it woukd just create more violence. When a player commits a gun crime and police are responding to rp we dont want ai jumping in the mix and trying to kill. this would at least hold the criminal at the scene of the crime, because right now soon as as a criminal shoots someone they will instatly flee, and if your in a gang, and you guys are all doing a crime, everyone is going to run and the cop is going to be short handed to go after a group then chase 1 guy away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flori Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 imo this will only create more chaos and players will definitely be looking for that if the option is available. On 10/18/2017 at 1:14 PM, Bobjimjoe Jackson said: what if you add a feature, that if someone shoots they actaully get a 1 star wanted lvl like in the real gta and ai cops come at them, because at the time now there is not much ammo someone can buy to get all these "AI" cops off them. so that would detain someone at the scene of the crime for being pindowned as "backup" the officer coming to the crime, and then that would remove the wanted off off that player when a real cop is there, therefore removing the ai from the player they are trying to capture so that player doesnt get away, or yet kill the real officer. Â 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiLLeR Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Having the AI intervene would be troublesome I think as the likely hood of a bystander getting caught up in the crossfire is very high. GSR would only show that a person fired a gun, not if they were the aggressor or simply defending themselves. I think methods that deter the violence are better than focusing on how we catch them (too much he said/she said for the cops to have a real clue as to what happened). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas GarcÃa Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, TiLLeR said:  I think methods that deter the violence are better than focusing on how we catch them (too much he said/she said for the cops to have a real clue as to what happened). I agree on that, GSR will still leave us with people stating they they were defending themselves and such, so it's nearly the same to what we have right now. @TiLLeR says deter violence, and I agree with it. I have said it in many posts before but once more I repeat it. If punishment is good enough, people will think it twice before puling major offenses. It's that simple, why we don't go crazy in RL and kill assholes, because the consequences are not worth it. Yet some might shoplift or similar since it's just something minor. Balance the punishments and that will balance the amount and type of crimes committed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted October 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) I'm not really worried about crimes and stuff if there is RP behind it. Obviously a criminal has to have the tools to commit crime. My original idea about taking away guns are from people who shoot others for little to no reason (he bumped into my car, he told me i'm not handsome enough and so on). I don't want to take away guns from legit criminals, i want to take it away from people who don't know when and how to use guns! EDIT: but then again, maybe this would just encourage them to do VDM instead  Edited October 19, 2017 by Muroko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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